What we say and what we do....

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CRNI-ICU20

482 Posts

Specializes in ICU;CCU;Telemetry;L&D;Hospice;ER/Trauma;.

You think calling someone a troll is exaggerating?

Yes, this is an OLD thread, but the mentality of some of those same seasoned nurses still remains....because at the point of injury to the new nurse, no one was really held accountable, Tweety....

That's what I am trying to say here....

It isn't an exaggeration...

To that person who was attacked, it might as well have happened yesterday.....the wounds still linger long after the point of injury, because NO ONE apologized.....and they should have....

I am not "having to bring up such an old thread"....as you say, in order to prove my point....because the mal-adaptive thinking is still there, as evidenced by many of the responses here....

Many expressed that they are not comfortable expressing themselves openly at work because they fear retribution....well DUH!

And many others expressed that they have been on the receiving end of this kind of behaviour....

And further, it is so common for one person to point out that the behaviour is wrong, call it what it truly is, and then have another come along and dismiss it as "just a misunderstanding" or "the first poster was harsh and cruel first!!"

While you can site instances since that time, in your experience, where people have tempered themselves and refrained from slinging nasty comments and words around, I have encountered some threads where people have openly done the opposite, and have backstabbed within the thread as if the one being stabbed was not able to read or see their words....(like talking behind their back)....it was bizzare! to say the least....and very telling....

I realize that some believe passionately about their work, and that they post here as if their very lives depended on it, but give me a break here....calling someone a troll is just plain wrong, and it isn't an exaggeration....whether it happened a year ago, or whether it happened yesterday....it's wrong....crni

Tweety, BSN, RN

34,248 Posts

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
You think calling someone a troll is exaggerating?

Yes, this is an OLD thread, but the mentality of some of those same seasoned nurses still remains....because at the point of injury to the new nurse, no one was really held accountable, Tweety....

That's what I am trying to say here....

It isn't an exaggeration...

To that person who was attacked, it might as well have happened yesterday.....the wounds still linger long after the point of injury, because NO ONE apologized.....and they should have....

I am not "having to bring up such an old thread"....as you say, in order to prove my point....because the mal-adaptive thinking is still there, as evidenced by many of the responses here....

Many expressed that they are not comfortable expressing themselves openly at work because they fear retribution....well DUH!

And many others expressed that they have been on the receiving end of this kind of behaviour....

And further, it is so common for one person to point out that the behaviour is wrong, call it what it truly is, and then have another come along and dismiss it as "just a misunderstanding" or "the first poster was harsh and cruel first!!"

While you can site instances since that time, in your experience, where people have tempered themselves and refrained from slinging nasty comments and words around, I have encountered some threads where people have openly done the opposite, and have backstabbed within the thread as if the one being stabbed was not able to read or see their words....(like talking behind their back)....it was bizzare! to say the least....and very telling....

I realize that some believe passionately about their work, and that they post here as if their very lives depended on it, but give me a break here....calling someone a troll is just plain wrong, and it isn't an exaggeration....whether it happened a year ago, or whether it happened yesterday....it's wrong....crni

No, I didn't mean to condone such behavior. I find much to agree with in your post.

I just don't think it's happening over and over in our forums. Perhaps we're reading different threads (there are several forums I do not go to, LTC being one of them), or looking at threads with a different eye (which is likely the case). Maybe I have rose colored glasses and am not calling a spade a spade. I'm willing to look at that.

But for now, I'd still like to have faith that 95% percent of the membership here are good people and don't go around devouring and bullying one another.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, it happens for sure.

As was mentioned, it does happen that someone calls another a troll, or worse and we miss it.

I'm just not sure we're going to moderate to your satisfaction and I'm sure what else to say about that. But I'm trying to open my mind. Again, I can say we'll try to get better and ask the membership to report TOS violations and bullying ASAP.

allnurses Guide

Spidey's mom, ADN, BSN, RN

11,304 Posts

I don't know if you are taking the word "troll" to mean some large, ugly anthropomorphic creature with a brain the size of a pea and a club the size of Florida--or the internet version of troll as defined by the master of uncertain definition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

this seems not quite as cruel, but more of a heads up--suggesting the poster was more of a trickster trying to get the masses riled up.

This post made me smile . . . . gotta have a sense of humor.;)

steph

Specializes in Cardiac.

Steph, it made me laugh too!!

That poster didn't have a lot of posts when that thread was ongoing. Also, many of her other posts were rude, and some of them were in locked threads.

I might have thought her a troll as well just based on those things...

ktwlpn, LPN

3,844 Posts

Specializes in LTC,Hospice/palliative care,acute care.
In the last couple of days/weeks, I have been noticing some things on this website that troubles me....

On more than just a few occasions, I have read whole threads, where there is a "discussion", or difference of opinion being expressed...

I notice in some of those threads that more times than not, when one person doesn't agree with the "crowd", the "crowd" then turns on the "outsider" or "non-agreeing one", and then comes in with personal attacks.....

Comments that state things like: "I bet her patients are fearful"....or "brain anonmalies" or implying that only the "seasoned ones" have ultimate knowledge. There doesn't seem to be any free exchange of ideas from that point on. The one being attacked is hounded with questions about whether or not they have the "credentials" to back up their opinion, etc.

I wonder about this. I wonder why nurses who talk about NOT EATING THEIR YOUNG, do so OPENLY on a public forum, all in the name of "education", and thn post on another thread about how wrong it is to eat their own young!

I wonder why moderators don't put some sort of "kabosh" on people who repeatedly and personally attack people....not the IDEA, but the PERSON.....there is a distinct difference, but just like in most bullying situations, the onlookers tend to look the other way.....and I wonder why, when you have threads about lateral violence, and nurses bullying others, you allow that to happen here right under your eyeglasses, with nary a finger wag.

It's one thing to express an opinion, and then step back when someone blasts that opinion with one of their own....

It's quite another to make comments about a nurse's mental health, their brain capacity, labeling them as arrogant and then topping it off with " i don't think she has any experience.

if she does, God pity her frightened, disoriented pts. " and calling this poster a "troll??"

I don't care how passionate you are about some particular area of your work, by calling a fellow nurse a troll or brain damaged or dismissing her comments as "less than" because you don't agree with them, only diminishes YOU.

I find it even more IRONIC that the many who attacked her were standing on their soapboxes squawking loudly about HOW TO COMMUNICATE WITH DISORENTED AND DEMENTED PATIENTS....

If you have to resort to calling a fellow nurse a troll? what kind of communicator ARE YOU??

I am ashamed to have read that thread....and even more ashamed to realize that it was participated in by so-called "seasoned" nurses....

In my opinion, you should be able to conduct yourselves better....you want to be seen as professionals, and yet, here you are, calling another in your profession a troll, because she sees something differently....

What do you suppose she took from this communication exchange???

I don't think she even heard your point....she was still reeling from the frontal verbal punches you threw at her....

You can kick me off the forum for this if you want. Or, you can let this be an opportunity for some here to offer an apology for getting out of line....jmho. crni

CRNI- I have to quote you from another thread-

"She's an adult, with a big communication problem and an even bigger personality problem....maybe she can find a job where she doesn't have to deal with people and can read the paper all day....

Like maybe the dog pound, or a dispatcher's office for a Maytag repairman....or phone sex hot line in the middle of the Nevada desert...

There is a certain criteria when it comes to working with the sick and elderly.....she clearly showed her employer and co-workers that she wasn't able to meet that criteria....."

crni >>>>>>>>>It seems that you don't practice what you are preaching here on a consistent basis....My frustration with the thread in question was the inability of the person to which you are referring to open her mind.Those of us who work with the Alzheimer's population have to deal with the resultant chaos caused by people like her.They refuse to LEARN.I am learning and growing every single day-I watch and learn from everyone I come into contact with- both younger and more experienced nurses.I don't ignore someone because they may have less education them I do or less experience because they may have a valid point.I don't start picking apart someone's grammar or spelling to deflect the attention from the fact that I really don't know what I'm talking about. The vast experience of the posters on that thread is overwhelmingly against that poster's view point.She was like a 4 yr old holding her fingers in her ears and chanting " I can't hear you,I can't hear you" Calling someone a "troll" is internet speak for someone who enjoys baiting the crowd.No worse then telling a fellow nurse she should work in a dog pound ...This person clearly showed she is not capable of meeting the criteria required to work with the demented,IMHO---she should work on a phone sex line,right?

nursemike, ASN, RN

1 Article; 2,362 Posts

Specializes in Rodeo Nursing (Neuro).

Well, breakfast is going to be late, today. I'm having a hard time deciding whether this thread or the one sited on dementia is more interesting. I think the one on dementia is more useful to me in my practice, although in my work I'm usually dealing more with temporary delusional behavior s/p stroke or surgery.

Since the dreaded "Eating their young" phrase has already been introduced, may I say that as I get more experienced and less young, I begin to believe that a little chewing can, at times, be instructive? I once wrote an article for an in-house newsletter entitled "Let's get catty!" (I have, as some may have noticed, ongoing issues with the use of "catty" to describe passive/aggressive behaviours, insofar as my own feline companions are hardly ever remotely passive in their aggression.) In said article, I advocated resolving conflicts by biting ones adversary on the ear, throwing them to the floor, and licking their face afterwards to make up.

I can see the OP's (of this thread) concern, but I can also understand those who were irritated by what appeared to be condescension directed toward thoughtful and caring, experienced nurses. I also see a central problem all of us new nurses inevitably encounter, in that we have to evaluate whether our more experienced peers have simply become sloppy in their practice, or have learned to go beyond "book learning." Being an older new nurse, my inclination is to expect the best of my experienced peers, especially when what they are doing appears to work. Having, at times, been the voice of experience in another field, respect for experience comes pretty naturally to me--so what I have to keep reminding myself is that there can be no progress if we get too mired in "the way it has always been done." But a different person might need to be reminded that theory is no substitute for practice.

Anyway, I have to agree that, on the whole, this forum is a pretty civil one (that is, I politely disagree with the OP) although I concede there are moments when frustration gets the better of us (licking the OP's face, so to speak.)

Specializes in ER, ICU, L&D, OR.
No posts to that thread for nearly a year, so while that thread did have to be redirected by moderators a couple of times, I don't know that it really reflects much of the current "personality" of Allnurses.

To request moderator action on a particular post, it is best to click on 'Report Post' so that it comes to our attention without the negativity being spread to other posts or threads. As volunteers, we're limited in the number of threads that we can read in a timely fashion. A few forums currently don't have any assigned moderators, so we're often doing it by committee. We rely on members to help us identify Terms of Service violations.

they took the report post button thingee away

Specializes in Cardiac Care.
they took the report post button thingee away

The red triangle is in the upper right corner in each and every post.

Specializes in ER, ICU, L&D, OR.
The red triangle is in the upper right corner in each and every post.

Is that what that is, I just thought it was cute all this time. It is kinda cutesey dont you think

Specializes in Cardiac Care.

:lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

I never thought of it as cutesy, but I'll look at it again!

Specializes in ICU/PCU/Infusion.

I saw several posts by people in the dementia thread where people DID apologize.

Specializes in Acute Care Psych, DNP Student.

I really think this thread is a common example of throwing the baby out with the bath water...not seeing the forest for the trees...etc.

What I mean by that is this: internet forums tend to be vast septic tanks of vile behavior. Ever been on an AOL board or Yahoo board? I have. I needed to take a shower after leaving.

So to pick and sift through threads in this nice and cordial place and whip negligible incidents up...? I think it's making a mountain out of a molehill.

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