Understanding the Risk of Firearms: Suicide vs. Homicide - page 3

If you watch the news or TV shows, you might be led to believe that there is a high risk of firearm homicide. Researchers from Northeastern University, University of Washington, and Harvard... Read More

  1. by   OldDude
    Quote from rzyzzy
    The logical failure here is quoting "studies" done by biased, rabidly anti-gun organizations. The Brady center was initially organized as "handgun control inc".

    You're never going to find middle-ground by quoting anti-gun zealots as reliable sources, then vilifying those that quote the NRA.

    The 2nd amendment is way more important now than at any time in our country's previous history. We have at both the state and federal level- government that doesn't want to follow the law. Presidents, governors & legislators who actively subvert the will of the people by gerrymandering, over-ruling voters & trying to kneecap their successors when they lose elections.

    You have for-profit prisons holding a higher percentage of the population in prison than Russia under Stalin, and for-profit policing that takes more property from citizens via seizure than criminals do via theft or robbery. Think about that.

    Further, without a frank discussion about what happens when you try to separate the 400 million firearms from the 100 million Americans who lawfully own them, you're engaging in the silliest form of mental masturbation. The cat doesn't go back in the bag without leaving claw marks on the country.

    If you think 10,000 intentional deaths a year by firearms is bad, think about what happens to an unarmed population under a totalitarian government.
    Quite thought provoking.
  2. by   klone
    Quote from macawake
    As a European I really don't understand why so many Americans seem so infatuated with their firearms and the right to carry one whenever/wherever.
    We call them "ammosexuals"
  3. by   OldDude
    Quote from klone
    We call them "ammosexuals"
    I don't care what your view of the subject is...this is funny!!
  4. by   Kyrshamarks
    What could be more straight than I won't give up my guns ever. Not to you, not to the the police or even the government. When they start to try confiscations by police, then we have become a totalitiarian society and it is our duty to stand up to it. I would fight and die for my rights and yours. I spent many years in the military doing just that. Oh wait...according to some in power that makes me onenof the largest group of terrorists. A white, ex military male gun owner...
  5. by   Jedrnurse
    Quote from Kyrshamarks
    i. Will. Not. Give. Up. My. Guns. Any of them to anyone.
    Very nuanced.

    By the way, did anyone ask you for them?
  6. by   Farawyn
    Quote from Kyrshamarks
    What could be more straight than I won't give up my guns ever. Not to you, not to the the police or even the government. When they start to try confiscations by police, then we have become a totalitiarian society and it is our duty to stand up to it. I would fight and die for my rights and yours. I spent many years in the military doing just that. Oh wait...according to some in power that makes me onenof the largest group of terrorists. A white, ex military male gun owner...
    You forgot the Zombies.
  7. by   Emergent
    I have a concealed pistol permit and also own a shotgun for home protection. I rarely carry, mainly while camping and hiking.

    Frankly, I believe mass media has fueled the modern attention seeking spree killings. The internet fosters and feeds the ideological fanaticism behind such things as the killings of the elderly Jews in the synagogue, the attack on the Republican legislators playing baseball, Islamic terrorism, etc. It also has exposed young people to all kinds of sexual deviancy and sadism. Should we consider banning it as well?

    I, personally, don't see the purpose for individuals to own automatic weapons. Even if for the stated purpose in the constitution of raising a militia to oppose a government gone bad, you'd need more than guns to oppose the US armed forces. Are we going to allow the public to own rocket launchers and hand grenades? Under the principles cited by the NRA, we should.

    I'm always for the middle, rational ground. Common sense tells me that there is more behind the explosion of gun violence than just guns, and that includes those who want to harm themselves.
  8. by   Farawyn
    Quote from Emergent
    I have a concealed pistol permit and also own a shotgun for home protection. I rarely carry, mainly while camping and hiking.

    Frankly, I believe mass media has fueled the modern attention seeking spree killings. The internet fosters and feeds the ideological fanaticism behind such things as the killings of the elderly Jews in the synagogue, the attack on the Republican legislators playing baseball, Islamic terrorism, etc. It also had exposed young people to all kinds of sexual deviancy and sadism. Should we consider banning it as well?

    I, personally, don't see the purpose for individuals to own automatic weapons. Even if for the stated purpose in the constitution of raising a militia to oppose a government gone bad, you'd need more than guns to oppose the US armed forces. Are we going to allow the public to own rocket launchers and hand grenades? Under the principles cited by the NRA, we should.

    I'm always for the middle, rational ground. Common sense tells me that there is more behind the explosion of gun violence than just guns, and that includes those who want to harm themselves.
    Well, with no money in federal mental health and social services, we may never know what those are.
    It's much easier to blame the media.
  9. by   Emergent
    Quote from Farawyn
    Well, with no money in federal mental health and social services, we may never know what those are.
    It's much easier to blame the media.
    I think the poorly run welfare state is one negative factor in society. It has rewarded the breakdown of the family structure, and allowed a generation to sit on their butts, smoking pot, playing video games, consuming hot cheetos and soda pop on the pubic dime.

    It had done very little to incentivize more wholesome lifestyles like marriage, family values, healthy eating and physical activity, all of which would improve mental and physical health.
  10. by   Farawyn
    Quote from Emergent
    I think the poorly run welfare state is one negative factor in society. It has rewarded the breakdown of the family structure, and allowed a generation to sit on their butts, smoking pot, playing video games, consuming hot cheetos and soda pop on the pubic dime.

    It had done very little to incentivize more wholesome lifestyles like marriage, family values, healthy eating and physical activity, all of which would improve mental and physical health.
    ...And this has what to do with guns? Or getting accessible mental health help?
    Does it matter to you that most of the mass shooters were middle class?

    I also object to you listing marriage as a "wholesome family value" when over 1/2 of all marriages end in divorce.
  11. by   OldDude
    Quote from Farawyn
    You forgot the Zombies.
    I'm OK with regular Zombies but the Zombies that can run scare the BeeJeezus out of me.
  12. by   Emergent
    Quote from Farawyn
    ...And this has what to do with guns? Or getting accessible mental health help?
    Does it matter to you that most of the mass shooters were middle class?

    I also object to you listing marriage as a "wholesome family value" when over 1/2 of all marriages end in divorce.
    Apparently our world views on what would improve the mental health of society diverge here. I personally believe that unhealthy lifestyles and more unstable families contribute, and that government policies contribute.

    Regarding the middle class, that is a segment of society that is very hard pressed today. They are carrying an unfair burden. As I mentioned in another thread, the middle class is being squeezed out of existence by expensive healthcare, taxes, housing, and government resources going elsewhere. Is it a wonder that many are cracking?
  13. by   Farawyn
    Quote from Emergent
    Apparently our world views on what would improve the mental health of society diverge here. I personally believe that unhealthy lifestyles and more unstable families contribute, and that government policies contribute.

    Regarding the middle class, that is a segment of society that is very hard pressed today. They are carrying an unfair burden. As I mentioned in another thread, the middle class is being squeezed out of existence by expensive healthcare, taxes, housing, and government resources going elsewhere. Is it a wonder that many are cracking?
    Yeah, I think easy accessibility to all types guns and kids getting desensitized to/panicking over school shootings, as well as getting all shot up because Jr. Incel got into his Daddy's guns, wreaks more havoc on our society than not being married.
    Call me cray, and for for the love of God keep me away from guns.
    I watch CNN, and I'm divorced.
    I may crack.

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