Too Posh to push?? Thoughts please!

FutureNurse2005 · Mar 3, 2004

"You are obviousely new to the health care system. This statement is a blanket statement and very prejudicial IMO (not slamming you, just commenting )Do you REALLY think that's most women's motivation for having a c/s by choice? I'll admit, picking my c/s date is nice, but i have other children i have to think about and make arrangements for. I want to make sure that my ENTIRE family is doing ok before i go in the hospital for 3 days and leave them in someone else's care"

I'm not sure you understood what I was saying. And i'm not sure how my statement was prejudice in anyway. or what difference does it make if I am new to the hc system or not?

Let me start off by clarifying that, based on the articles that I have read and by talking with other women that I know, those are the reasons that they choose to have a scheduled section, i'm not saying those are the reasons for EVERY woman who chooses a section for non medical reasons. however,I am not happy to hear that as I feel they are selfish reasons. ( LOL..IMO, a woman has plenty of time to "make arrangements", she has 9 months!) I dont buy that excuse to schedule a section, and I dont buy the excuses I listed earlier. To me its just women looking for an easy way out, and I personally feel that birth is not something that should be taken so lightly.

Now, I clearly understand that some women have to have a section for medical reasons and I am not talking about those cases here.

But this is all my own opinion, take it with a grain of salt.

All I wanted to know really was how safe/healthy is it for a woman to choose a section for non medical reasons.

I think i'll try to find the other thread and read that!

Thanks!

fergus51 · Mar 3, 2004

I don't think that's MOST women's reason for having sections, but it is for some and that's what the thread was about. No one is suggesting a woman with medical indications for having a section shouldn't have one. But I do not believe in social inductions or sections. I know doctors who will try and induce their patients when they are on call and families who want a section to avoid being pregnant "when it gets hot" or to pick a child's birthday (don't want the year of the sheep) or because they think it's "easier"..... Yeah, major abdominal surgery is easy..... Then they wonder why the baby sometimes doesn't do well at birth.... Maybe cause it wasn't ready to be born. There is a reason women go into labor when they do and not on a set schedule.

SnowymtnRN · Mar 3, 2004

Guess I should have clarified my position. There was another thread about this subject sometime back and I remember it related stories about "stars" choosing to have a cesarean early so they didn't get quite so big and get stretch marks. "Too posh To Push" was actually an article about famous women, women with money, women where looks matter to their career choosing early cesarean. Not for the reasons you've stated Dawn.
And actually these women with $$$ do find physicians who will do just about any little thing they want. Including an early cesarean.
I'll try to find the article . ..
steph

Steph, i'm sorry if i came across rude or harsh! i certainly didn't mean to!!! Please forgive me. I was just talking out of my head.....being 36 weeks preggo and chasing after my 3 year old and 17 mth old all day will do that to ya! :rotfl: I'd love to read that article tho if you do find it!!!!

SnowymtnRN · Mar 3, 2004

"You are obviousely new to the health care system. This statement is a blanket statement and very prejudicial IMO (not slamming you, just commenting )Do you REALLY think that's most women's motivation for having a c/s by choice? I'll admit, picking my c/s date is nice, but i have other children i have to think about and make arrangements for. I want to make sure that my ENTIRE family is doing ok before i go in the hospital for 3 days and leave them in someone else's care"
I'm not sure you understood what I was saying. And i'm not sure how my statement was prejudice in anyway. or what difference does it make if I am new to the hc system or not?
Let me start off by clarifying that, based on the articles that I have read and by talking with other women that I know, those are the reasons that they choose to have a scheduled section, i'm not saying those are the reasons for EVERY woman who chooses a section for non medical reasons. however,I am not happy to hear that as I feel they are selfish reasons. ( LOL..IMO, a woman has plenty of time to "make arrangements", she has 9 months!) I dont buy that excuse to schedule a section, and I dont buy the excuses I listed earlier. To me its just women looking for an easy way out, and I personally feel that birth is not something that should be taken so lightly.
Now, I clearly understand that some women have to have a section for medical reasons and I am not talking about those cases here.
But this is all my own opinion, take it with a grain of salt.
All I wanted to know really was how safe/healthy is it for a woman to choose a section for non medical reasons.
I think i'll try to find the other thread and read that!
Thanks!

Let me see if i can clarify. PLEASE don't think i was attacking or being harsh, TRULY i wasn't and if i came off that way i apologize! I think the articles that Steph posted were actually pretty good. From what i gather overall, there's no real reason IN those articles for the celebrities to have had an elective c/s. It doesn't say either way, but it centers in on their body condition post partum. I think the article said it best, intense excercise, personal trainers and digital altering in pics! :rotfl:

But in your OP, you said:

I read an article recently that stated many women these days are opting for elective c-sections rather than experiencing labor. What I want to know is, are there any greater risks associated with elective c-section? How do nurses and doctors feel about this?
I'm a bit upset that women actually want to have a major surgery so to avoid the pain of labor or to have baby home in time for christmas or so they can choose the childs birthday.
Your thoughts??
__________________
Nursing student in 2005!!

You said you were upset that women actually WANT to have major surgery etc..etc...and i think what i got lost in my post was that in MOST cases (not all), that women don't choose "elective" c/s for these very reasons. Its JUST not that cut and dry, and anyone who has a doctor that pushes that mentality should RUN. And as nurses we should try to help educate and inform so that any patient can make the BEST choice for their individual situation.

you also said:

And i'm not sure how my statement was prejudice in anyway. or what difference does it make if I am new to the hc system or not?
Let me start off by clarifying that, based on the articles that I have read and by talking with other women that I know, those are the reasons that they choose to have a scheduled section, i'm not saying those are the reasons for EVERY woman who chooses a section for non medical reasons. however,I am not happy to hear that as I feel they are selfish reasons. ( LOL..IMO, a woman has plenty of time to "make arrangements", she has 9 months!)

I guess my interpretation is that you stated it UPSET you that women wanted to schedule c/s to pick birthday's, etc...and when you have been in the HC system for any legnth of time, you'll learn that its not UP to you as a health care provider to question motives and reasoning. Only to inform, protect and educate. After that, there's nothing you can do. And to be honest, why do people take OTHER people's rationale so personally? ESPECIALLY with childbirth? its such an intensely private moment anyway, the last thing anyone needs during that point in their life is someone else judging their choices. As nurses we all encounter people and decisions they make on a daily basis we don't agree with, have moral or ethical issues with, etc...but the bottom line is its NOT UP TO US. So why feel so angry about it? KWIM? AND 9 mths isn't a lot of time to make "alternate arrangements". I mean i have 2 young children, a 3rd on the way, and i can't make arrangements for them a year in advance ya know? Do you know of anyone who's willing to make those type of commitments? lol

But this is all my own opinion, take it with a grain of salt.
All I wanted to know really was how safe/healthy is it for a woman to choose a section for non medical reasons.

You are SO right, it is your own opinion, and at least you care enough to have one! :chuckle I think the cruxt of it for me is that MOST women don't get to choose a c/s for NON medical reasons. I'd love to see some stats and figures on some studies or something if this is a true problem in our society ya know?

have a great day, i've enjoyed the discussion! And good luck in nursing school! Please don't think i was being argumentative or anything, truly i wasn't. Just throwing other facts/figures out there ya know??

allnurses Guide · Mar 3, 2004

Dawn . . .see above for two articles and then just Google "Too Posh To Push" . . . . you'll see . . . . :)

You have your hands full . . . I'm chasing a 2 1/2 year old who took 4 rolls of toilet paper and made a railroad track through the house while I was in the shower and last night turned the faucet on in the bathroom and flooded the bathroom . . so I know where you are coming from, sorta.

Best wishes . . .

steph

SnowymtnRN · Mar 3, 2004

I forgot to hit refresh when i replied to you! LOL DUH!

i feel your pain, my 17 mth old unrolled 2 rolls of toilet paper, and my 3 year old flushed it AND the cardboard rolls they were on. Lets just say they thought it was fun. :rolleyes:

allnurses Guide · Mar 3, 2004

Dawn . . .sounds just like my house. Except I have a 14 year old who broke into tears in the kitchen tonight over a softball coach she hates. Teenage angst and toddler escapades . . . hey, sounds like the premise for a new sitcom!

FutureNurse . . . . although I think it is wrong to schedule cesareans for the reasons stated in the articles I posted . . . I secretly wished for one when I was preggers with my 4th child. Natural childbirth hurts. :crying2: Be careful what you wish for . . I ended up with an emergency cesarean.

steph

Jrnalist2RNinOR · Mar 3, 2004

My cousin just delivered her 3rd and last baby this way. After her section, the OB actually did a full tummy tuck! Talk about your one stop shopping!

If you ask me I dont see why an OB is performing a tummy tuck in the first place...that really isnt an OB's specialty or their job - it is to get that baby out alive and healthy - not to worry about the aesthetics of how pretty someones abs look after you have an elective C-section....

nekhismom · Mar 3, 2004

well, I know in a major city near here that you don't even need that much $$ to be able to have an elective c/s. Just have to request, and VIOLA!!!

Your wish is the OB's command.

CoffeeRTC, BSN, RN · Mar 3, 2004

Fun reading... I too am about 36 weeks and secretly hoped for a C section. Right now I am in so much peri pain that I can't imagine pushing a child out of those parts. (babies looking to be about 8 pounds at delivery) I know there is no medical reason at this point to have a section again and am planning on the VBAC again. The thing that kills me is my doc ask "Are you sitll planning for a VBAC?" Another thing to think about... my isurance didn't even want to pay for my C section even when it was medically necessary (toxemia- eclampsia) and I had to fight with them for months to cover their part.

allnurses Guide · Mar 3, 2004

Fun reading... I too am about 36 weeks and secretly hoped for a C section. Right now I am in so much peri pain that I can't imagine pushing a child out of those parts. (babies looking to be about 8 pounds at delivery) I know there is no medical reason at this point to have a section again and am planning on the VBAC again. The thing that kills me is my doc ask "Are you sitll planning for a VBAC?" Another thing to think about... my isurance didn't even want to pay for my C section even when it was medically necessary (toxemia- eclampsia) and I had to fight with them for months to cover their part.

Hi - actually we don't do VBAC's anymore and that is the norm now due to increased risks.

steph

hrherika · Mar 5, 2004

WHAT????????

Did he just toss it in or did she ask for it?

My husband keeps saying that I should get the doctor to "sew me back right" after I have another child (Had a previous c section)

WOW do I ever want her doctor! haha

Erika

My cousin just delivered her 3rd and last baby this way. After her section, the OB actually did a full tummy tuck! Talk about your one stop shopping!