Thoughts about childcare during procedures - page 6
I have been thinking of this for a long time now. Some of you may actually have some sort of system set up in your hospitals since you are in bigger cities, etc. What would you think of this idea... Read More
May 25, '04Occupation: allnurses Asst Community Manager, APRN Specialty: 25 year(s) of experience in Nephrology, Cardiology, ER, ICU ; From: US ; Joined: Apr '00; Posts: 53,367; Likes: 26,199Sorry that you felt some of us were sarcastic. I too have had young children. Like SmilingBlueEyes, my husband was in the military for 23 years. I put my kids first and didn't start nursing school until they were 5 and 10 years old. And believe me, overseas is even more difficult to find reliable daycare. Is there a way you can consolidate appts? If you have a child that is chronically ill and frequently hospitalized, perhaps contacting the doctors office and getting a social service referral would be beneficial. However, I still stand by my opinion that well-children don't belong in a hospital. Good luck.
May 25, '04Joined: Mar '04; Posts: 5,926; Likes: 15trauma...we usually do try to consolidate appointments and it's not that any of us are gravely ill...there is just a lot going on with all of us medically right now. I'm sure we'll work it out eventually. Still brainstorming....
May 25, '04Occupation: RN LTC From: US ; Joined: Jan '03; Posts: 3,757; Likes: 1,820getting back to the OP. What does your hospital do in emergencies when mom or dad becomes ill and child is with them? Who watches them until family or neighbors arrive? Is child welfare called?
CNM--I see where you are coming from. I just had a baby and had many appts to go to. I hated asking family (my Dad) to sit with the kids, but lugging to other ones with me was difficult. I think it would be an ineresting business to get in to and provide babysitting services to hospitals or large medical offices. I'm sure there are many women out there who would love this service. As far as liability, hospitals and other businesses (gyms, grocery stores etc) provide this already. I'm sure something could be worked out and something like this could be funded by grant money and making parents pay??
May 25, '04Joined: Jan '04; Posts: 19; Likes: 20If this thread has not turned nasty then I am on an alternate planet!!
It seems that some people feel that children are an unnecessary burden on society. "....Second hand smoke...." That is so offensive I will not formulate a rebuttal.
Should we have designated "child bearers" who will be set aside somewhere far away so as not to annoy anyone? Without children society will be in a very bad place. Think of society with a lot of grouchy older people who cannot ever retire and have no one to do the harder labor jobs. I guess while everyone is working till death they will have plenty of sympathetic company to spout child-hating conversation with. Darn't now I am being nasty and sarcastic...
Many socialist countries realize this and give tax credits, state funded "quality" childcare, paid maternity leaves, etc. They realize children are the future!
We live in a capitalist society with all of its benefits and drawbacks. So we are on our own. There is very little hourly childcare in my area. It is limited in hours and expensive and requires constant use with constant pay. The childcare at the college here can only be used while on campus.
I am a single mother (not by plan or choice-call it a natural disaster) and do not qualify for any childcare assistance because I have a job. You can only qualify for childcare assistance here if you are unemployed (weird). I make my childrens appointments together whenever necessary and get no healthcare of any kind for myself (couldn't afford the care much less the childcare to go with it).
I have done the childcare trading whenever I could find someone but very often end up with the people who love to have someone to watch their children when needed but really prefer to not be "burdened" with anyone elses children.
Good luck CNM!!! I was just there--I used money my daughter received from relatives to buy her gifts but was unable to give her a party. People who have not been in the situation of food or rent or other needed things will probably be unable to understand the guilt, embarrasement and occasional feelings of hopelessness.
I take great pride in my children, they are my #1 gift/legacy to the world!
May 25, '04Joined: Jan '04; Posts: 19; Likes: 20There are hospitals that provide onsite childcare centers (with expanded hours needed for medical workers) for the hospital staff. Why couldn't patients who have no other alternative call ahead so that the center would be able to staff adequately and pay a small hourly fee that could possibly be set off by donations--government grants, etc.
May 25, '04Occupation: Haemetology nurse Specialty: Oncology/Haemetology/HIV ; From: US ; Joined: May '02; Posts: 7,040; Likes: 7,483Quote from IMustBeCrazyShe wants someone else to take on her personal business (children), something that I think is none of society's business. Children are very valuable and very personal.First of all, I'm saddened that CNM feels the need to put her personal information out to air for all of you. It is, quite frankly, NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
Secondly, our society is one of a capitalist structure, not socialist. So, if I want to have 10 kids, you may disagree, but ultimately it's not your decision, period. Until there is mandated birth control, or we are limited to having one child (hello China) people in this country will continue to have children at will.
I have NEVER said that I cared how many children ANYONE has. I only require that they handle those children themselves. And realize that others do not want to take the burden on due to liability.
and the poster has answered her own question of why there is no one doing this....because NO ONE HAS THE TIME!!!!!!!! Not her or anyone else.
And as long no one that cares about the issue has the time, those that need the care will continue wanting it but not getting it.
How hard or how much time does it take for her or anyone else to write a letter or speak to a volunteer or a manager to initiate such a plan? Well, if it is important enough to do, one will make the time. But I have yet to hear anyone say that they are going to do so, only gripe that we are saying to get rid of kids (which no one has said) or mandate birth numbers (no one has in this thread) and make up other things that have not been said in this thread.
I also note that those of us that agree that few hospitals will go for the idea related to infection control/liability issues have been nurses/worked in hospitals for long periods of time, which might say something.
There is also a difference here that is not present in most daycare issue. Employee's kids are there day after day, a history is filled out and presumably the employee is competent at all times to take the child back if necessary. That will not be true of someone dropping off an unknown child to go to a procedure.
May 25, '04Occupation: Haemetology nurse Specialty: Oncology/Haemetology/HIV ; From: US ; Joined: May '02; Posts: 7,040; Likes: 7,483Quote from Poppy_PetalThat's a lovely idea. So when are you going to the local hospital to offer your expertise in starting it up, taking time to write for those grants and make the first donation?Why couldn't patients who have no other alternative call ahead so that the center would be able to staff adequately and pay a small hourly fee that could possibly be set off by donations--government grants, etc.
May 25, '04Joined: Jan '04; Posts: 19; Likes: 20I called the childcare facility at the local medical center. It is not in the hospital (I don't believe) and does not offer expanded hours/after school care, etc. as some supposedly do. It seems to be more for classroom hours/administration or whoever it is in the hospital that works 8-5.
However, they were aware of the problem and had been working with the hospital to try to find a solution. They were very dissapointed that they had been unable to find the space/money/staff to create a drop in center in the hospital. The conversation was pleasant and instructive. There was no judgement or harshness and I felt like she respected me as a fellow human and had empathy for the people who find themselves in predicament of having to take children to the ER. The only thing they can do is to continue with damage control as well as possible in each individual case.
By the way--the ER is the only place people without insurance can be seen without paying for the full amount of the visit up front here. So yes, conditions are neglected and people who wouldn't have needed the ER if they had gotten medical care earlier end up there.
I felt very satisfied with the dialogue (even without a solution) which is probably what CNM2B would have been satisfied with too.
And...I used to do volunteer work with the mother's group at my church and the parish health ministry. Since I became a single/low income mother I have had to cut that out because I do not have anyone to watch my children and I have to work a lot to pay rent, etc. I had to cut out the donations (which I am sad about) because I don't have any money. I often eat the childrens left overs after dinner because I do not always have enough groceries to cook for all of us. I am not sitting around waiting for someone to fix everything for me as some people seem to think.
May 25, '04Joined: Apr '00; Posts: 24,611; Likes: 35,448kimmy,
i'm glad you took this to the breakroom because the support there will be 100%. i don't give a rat's butt what anyone says....i totally see the snippiness, sarcasm and insensitivity from some. yah you gave solutions but you didn't demonstrate one ounce of empathy. some of you guys are really burnt. :angryfire
May 25, '04Occupation: RN - College Health Specialty: Geriatrics/Oncology/Psych/College Health ; Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 6,584; Likes: 70Please - enough of the name calling and accusations. For what it's worth, there are two kinds of posts - those requesting support, and those requesting ideas/suggestions. Even if you ask for one or the other, this is still an open forum where you may risk hearing other things.
May 25, '04Joined: Apr '04; Posts: 488; Likes: 85I also note that those of us that agree that few hospitals will go for the idea related to infection control/liability issues have been nurses/worked in hospitals for long periods of time, which might say something.
May 25, '04Occupation: Clinical instructor Specialty: 13 year(s) of experience ; Joined: Dec '01; Posts: 781; Likes: 121Quote from IMustBeCrazyI respect the fact that some of you have been working in healthcare a long time. I just don't agree that other points of view have no merit because some posters have not worked in healthcare for the same length of time. Just a difference of opinion. /shrug
I've only been in healthcare 9 years...And I'm 36...I knew before being a nurse, that hospitals, doctor's offices and the like, are no place for healthy kids (especially infants)...Their immune systems aren't yet fully "developed" as ours...
That's not a harsh viewpoint, just my opinion...RSV is a real KILLER in Phoenix, and it's child abuse to expose your kiddo to an environment where RSV could be present (mainly hospitals and clinics)...
I didn't even take my newborn babies to the grocery store before they were 6 months...