Thoughts about childcare during procedures - page 3
I have been thinking of this for a long time now. Some of you may actually have some sort of system set up in your hospitals since you are in bigger cities, etc. What would you think of this idea... Read More
May 24, '04Joined: Mar '04; Posts: 5,926; Likes: 15I still don't understand why people seem to be getting nasty about this issue. All I am doing is asking simple, innocent questions. If you don't have children, firstly, it is hard to understand. Secondly, I have stated that I have tried to find childcare and that most of my reasoning is to make things easier on staff at the hospital. I am not saying that I am taking the kids there to play while I visit friends or while I myself am in the hospital. I asked an innocent question and if I misperceived the sarcasm, I am sorry, but why not try to have a little compassion for those of us trying to make things easier on YOU!!!
Deb...no, no hard feelings of course.Last edit by CNM2B on May 24, '04
May 24, '04Joined: Mar '04; Posts: 5,926; Likes: 15And another question....just what would you suggest I do in my situation (or someone like me) that knows no one and has no backup family? At a moment's notice, what would I do? Right now, we are at the point that dh is trying to move his schedule around constantly so that we can take kids to appointments and we can get to ours. It will be a different story in the fall when the kids are in campus childcare but I still am unable to leave them there longer than a half hour before or after my first and last classes, so I will have to then skip class to go to an appointment if I don't want to take them with me.
May 24, '04Joined: Mar '04; Posts: 5,926; Likes: 15Quote from WannaBLPN2005Hmmm...wondering.....why would it be okay for a gym and not for the hospital? Honestly, I would be willing to pay for the childcare too as long as it was reasonable. It would actually be a good business venture for someone to set something up that lived right next to a hospital and do childcare during appointments, procedures, visiting hours, etc. Too bad I don't live near ours.I understand completely Kim. I have 3 kids too and dh works some odd hours sometimes so there are times when I have to take them all with me. I was just wondering though a lot of Gyms have childcare onsite to where you can pay like a couple of bucks ( I don't know how much it is) but anyway a small fee to leave your kids with someone qualified to watch them while you workout. Why couldn't that work in other areas such as large hospitals?? Also community colleges have early childhood development programs, as part of the students training they could rotate at so called clinicals such as nurses do in their training by volunteering at hospital daycares. Maybe that's way too easy but it's just a thought that I had. I know there are liability issues so please don't anyone get mad. I know the idea is a stretch but a girl can dream , right? lol
May 24, '04Joined: Apr '04; Posts: 488; Likes: 85Ignore the trolls, CNM. Remember our 'therapeutic communication' assignments? Seems some have forgotten about theirs.
May 24, '04Specialty: Psych, Psych and more Psych ; Joined: Apr '04; Posts: 70; Likes: 26Rude? Sarcastic? Nasty? Methinks someone is pretty thin-skinned....
May 24, '04Occupation: RN - College Health Specialty: Geriatrics/Oncology/Psych/College Health ; Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 6,584; Likes: 70I would like to remind everyone that written communication has the drawback of not seeing one's non-verbal communication. If those who posted what are perceived as "rude, unsympathetic" comments are saying that is *not* how they intended them, please take them at their word.
As for the original poster's question, while it might be nice, I don't see a hospital ever providing that type of service due to liability issues. If someone comes in for a scope and it goes badly, for example, what does the facility do with the child? I remember being in situations at my last facility where a single mother would try and keep her child in the hospital with her while she was in for an admission. There HAS to be another way.
May 24, '04Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 38,750; Likes: 16,271We had a situation like that. Lady went into ER with vague complaints of
"abdominal pain". Well, she had in tow her 18 mo old toddler and no one else. You can guess the rest; she had an ectopic pregnancy brewing and had to have emergency surgery and what of the todder? Can you believe,the house supervisor sent her up to US to watch? I told the charge nurse, REFUSE! If something happens, we are liable! But she did it, took the child into our waiting room and played with her. Chips were down and there was NO one to watch the baby; ER was packed and goodness knows, "you can't put that responsiblity on security or ER nurses"....but it was ok to do it to US on OB. I did write an occurence report on this, outlining my protest and specifically why.
When the patient came to our floor post-op, all we could do was stick the child in mom's room with her, cartoons on, while we waited an hour and half for a neighbor to come and pick up the poor confused and scared child. Mom, obviously, was indisposed. Yes, it would have been nice if the lady had a backup for a situation like this, but they don't always.
And ,it was not that I did not feel for that mom and her situation. I did. It is because of things like this, I see CNM's point of view SO clearly. There SHOULD be a way, a back-up, for a situation like this. It was a really bad thing, taking a nurse from her assignment on the floor to watch this child and if anything had gone wrong then what? Who would be held liable? WE know the answer to that......
The mom was in a tight spot and so were we. I could not tell my charge nurse what she had to do, so I just wrote it up and made the manager aware. No absolute promises were made it would not happen again (it's such a rare event).
So, like I said, I can see where CNM is coming from. But the hospitals are not likely to accomodate, sadly. It's a bad deal all around when kids come to the hospital with sick or injured parents and no one to care for them. Bad for all involved.Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on May 24, '04
May 24, '04Occupation: LPN Specialty: 4 year(s) of experience in LTC/Behavioral/ Hospice ; Joined: May '04; Posts: 1,269; Likes: 284I apologize if my words seemed rude. I truly didn't intend them to be. I still think that it wouldn't work in a hospital setting. I like the idea of a daycare that deals with parents who go to the hospital though. A daycare that is willing to take drop-ins from the hospital and was close by sounds like a wonderful idea! A good question to answer, though, would be, what if the procedure turns into something that is a bigger deal? I suppose that could be covered at the daycare...if x happens, then call y person to pick up children, or something along those lines. It is a workable situation, I think. The difficult part might be convincing someone to take on such a project. It might be very difficult to decide how many people to staff for the day. There are laws about worker/child ratios that would have to be met. It's not undoable, and someone with their thinking cap on could come up with some reasonable solutions, I'm sure. If I knew I was going to be going in for many procedures, I would stop by and look the daycare over and might take advantage of such a place when I couldn't find a sitter.
May 24, '04Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 38,750; Likes: 16,271Lisa, see my above post to see "what if" and how badly we dealt with it. This is a hotbutton topic for me, obviously. (grin)
May 24, '04Occupation: LPN Specialty: 4 year(s) of experience in LTC/Behavioral/ Hospice ; Joined: May '04; Posts: 1,269; Likes: 284I just read it! Thank goodness that doesn't happen often! What a horrible situation to be in, for all involved! Sounds like you made the best of it, but it was a risky position to be in! I totally understand this being a hotbutton topic! *hugs*
Quote from SmilingBluEyesLisa, see my above post to see "what if" and how badly we dealt with it. This is a hotbutton topic for me, obviously. (grin)
May 24, '04Occupation: Haemetology nurse Specialty: Oncology/Haemetology/HIV ; From: US ; Joined: May '02; Posts: 7,040; Likes: 7,482Quote from CNM2BAnd I answered it with several solutions.And another question....just what would you suggest I do in my situation (or someone like me) that knows no one and has no backup family? At a moment's notice, what would I do? Right now, we are at the point that dh is trying to move his schedule around constantly so that we can take kids to appointments and we can get to ours. It will be a different story in the fall when the kids are in campus childcare but I still am unable to leave them there longer than a half hour before or after my first and last classes, so I will have to then skip class to go to an appointment if I don't want to take them with me.
- Put an ad in the paper seeking someone to do just that.
- Start an agency of your own to serve this very important need.
- Introduce yourself to your classmates, socialize with them and see if you can swap off with them regarding childcare.
- Introduce yourself and your need to the "bored elderly thumb twiddling women" as you quaintly noted and see if they can sit for you.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THOSE IDEAS!!!!
Well, they require effort, reciprocation and work on your part. And the convenience is not handed to you.
I regret that you are not happy with the answers that you have received, but they are quite sensible. Just like taking care of your kids. And if they are so important, you will find a way. As I raised a child, that I did not give birth to, I found a way. And mine had to sit quietly through hours of chemo.
If you do not know anyone, there is a reason. And you need to fix it. Introduce yourself to your neighbors. Talk to and eat with your coworkers. Bring a snack for your classmates. Thank those bored volunteers for the great free labor that they provide and ask about that cute pin that they are wearing. Ask child care advice of them.
And there will be people there that help you in a crisis.
And don't say that you don't have time. MAKE THE TIME!!!! Because when the chips are down, you will need these people. Karma returns. And there is no excuse for not knowing a certain amount about community. I get a new one every three monthes and still know most of coworkers, and neighbors within a few weeks. It is also important for community safety.
And you have a dh - yes, his job is important, but so are the kids and your health. If he chose to have kids, he should expect to rearrange his schedule to accomodate them. It is more his responsibility than the hospital or a volunteer's, or a nurse's.
And no, this is not about "helping the nurse out" that does the procedure or making it "easier for them". DO NOT EVEN GO THERE....... IT IS YOUR JOB TO PROVIDE CHILDCARE, NOT THEIRS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And until the day, insurance pays for childcare during procedures, you have no right to let your kids interfere with the normal flow of care or expect the nurse to have to work around them
May 24, '04Occupation: Performance Improvement Coordinator Joined: Sep '02; Posts: 327; Likes: 72Don't see it happening - Risk Management nightmare ! ! ! !
May 24, '04Occupation: Clinical instructor Specialty: 13 year(s) of experience ; Joined: Dec '01; Posts: 781; Likes: 121Quote from traumaRUsPersonally, with all the antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria in hospitals today, I feel that additional children (kids not ill) should not be brought to the hospital or docs offices for their own safety. I work in the ER and in a true life or death emergency sometimes other children must accompany the patient, but usually its possible to have another adult watch the kids. Using volunteers for free daycare doesn't seem too safe either. And...of course there is the hospital's liability if one of these kids gets hurt. Just my opinion of course.
The parent w/ foot pain for 2 months brings her 5 kids in at 2200...you know the rest...
There are no trolls in this thread...just candid answers...
I have 2 boys under 3...Change work schedules to accomodate the children...Health issues ALWAYS come before work...One spouse goes to his/her appointment...The other stays home w/ the kids. Work schedule be damned... Our parents managed, why can't we?
Little kiddos don't belong in doctor's offices, ERs, hospitals, etc. UNLESS they are sick (why bring a 6 month old to visit stable grandma w/ pneumonia, on a med/surg floor - LEAVE THE BABY HOME)