Nurses General Nursing
Published Nov 1, 2005
You are reading page 8 of This article insults nursing as a lower skilled job
angel337, MSN, RN
899 Posts
Moderator,Did I use any profane language or specifically make negative comments toward any member here? I thought this was the United States of America and the constitution guaranteed EVERY citizen the right to freeedom of speech. I am and will CONTINUE to EXERCISE that RIGHT! It's unfortunate that the truth hurts you people. You all should look at the reality of nursing. Is is a JOB not a CAREER. Perhaps if a BSN were the minimum entry to practice we could ALL start at $65,000 and max out at $80,000.Why can't nurses at least make a comparable salary to engineers? We risk our lives (and backs) and we are paid less than people working at the Big Three (Ford, GM, Chrysler). SOLUTION: Stop the infighting and fight for respect, decent wages, pensions and healthcare upon retirement.
Did I use any profane language or specifically make negative comments toward any member here? I thought this was the United States of America and the constitution guaranteed EVERY citizen the right to freeedom of speech. I am and will CONTINUE to EXERCISE that RIGHT! It's unfortunate that the truth hurts you people. You all should look at the reality of nursing. Is is a JOB not a CAREER. Perhaps if a BSN were the minimum entry to practice we could ALL start at $65,000 and max out at $80,000.
Why can't nurses at least make a comparable salary to engineers? We risk our lives (and backs) and we are paid less than people working at the Big Three (Ford, GM, Chrysler). SOLUTION: Stop the infighting and fight for respect, decent wages, pensions and healthcare upon retirement.
you are right rn2md, we should be able to agree to disagree. everyone has a right to their own opinion. i personally view nursing as a career and not a job. i do have a BSN but even if i didn't, i would still feel the same way. when i am assessing a patient i take that skill very seriously, because i would want myself and my family to be treated the same way. i have witnessed first hand the disasters that can happen when a nurse is not up to par with his/her responsibilties. a physician may write the orders, but it is the nurse who has the greatest responsibilty to carry them out appropriately and safely...or in some instances not carry them out at all. i have saved quite a few docs from making law-suit mistakes. i feel respected where i work and the docs i work with are great. maybe i am one of the lucky ones. female dominated professions always deal with these issues, not just nursing. so hopefully in my life time maybe nursing will evolve and come together as one instead of the adn vs. bsn debates that continue to tear us apart.
Marie_LPN, RN, LPN, RN
12,126 Posts
It's unfortunate that the truth hurts you people.
What you are calling the truth is called your opinion. To stop the "infighting" would mean to completely agree with your opinion, is what it seems.
Perhaps if statements weren't inflammatory and attacking in nature, then maybe people would be more open and willing to read/hear what is being said.
Instead, when one's chosen CAREER is being verbally butchered, people tend to turn away from it, and really, i don't blame them.
Done arguing here. Tired of watching the mudslinging.
Did I use any profane language or specifically make negative comments toward any member here?
Not specifically toward any member, but to a group, yes.
Works2xs
193 Posts
Moderator,Did I use any profane language or specifically make negative comments toward any member here? I thought this was the United States of America and the constitution guaranteed EVERY citizen the right to freeedom of speech. I am and will CONTINUE to EXERCISE that RIGHT!
Did I use any profane language or specifically make negative comments toward any member here? I thought this was the United States of America and the constitution guaranteed EVERY citizen the right to freeedom of speech. I am and will CONTINUE to EXERCISE that RIGHT!
Speaking of painful truths...
"Freedom of speech rights do not extend to this privately owned website. The TOS/Guidelines of this website governs the behaviors and activities of the members. If you choose not to follow the guidelines agreed to during registration, the result is a disabling of your account." - TOS
Not that I'm a moderator or anything... just felt like pointing out the obvious.
LydiaNN
2,756 Posts
Perhaps the "this" in which you are physically located is the United States. That isn't the case for every allnurses member, though, and even if it were, the "this" in which we all connect is cyberspace, and no constitutional protections apply. What ever would make you think otherwise? I don't know who you think is hurt with your version of the "truth". It is the comment about "you ladies" and the accompanying implication that only females engage in this endless debate about entry level, salary, benes and respect. And why on earth would we want to be in a career that maxes out at $80K? I know a number of RNs who make more than that.
karefree
12 Posts
Well I have had enough of this thread,too. RN2MD you are part of the problem. Nursing is not just a job. There are many areas of nursing to go and many areas to further your education and create your own practice or work with MD's. Which by the way, I know several APRN's who have saved Docs time and energy and are very well respected by who they work for. YOu need to get your own head out of the sand and stop posting on a NURSES web site since you have such disdain for us. :angryfire
RosesrReder, BSN, MSN, RN
8,498 Posts
What a shame
Another thread soon to earn the
(Sigh) :stone
SmilingBluEyes
20,964 Posts
just for those wondering, the decision to close a thread is not made lightly, and usually is only done after much discussion among moderators. also, most are re-opened up after cooling off, in case you did not notice.
carry on!
SFCardiacRN
762 Posts
Nursing is a proud diverse profession. It is made up of many kinds of people with differing education levels and tasks. Our core mandate is to take care of the sick but we do so much more than that. And nursing is evolving quickly before our eyes as our responsibilities and opportunities expand. We are loved and respected by our communities and fellow nurses. I am proud to be a nurse and I see that pride everyday on allnurses.com. Thank you all!!!!
Jake_weird03
dont really found the article offending, except from the word that was used -"low-skilled". but well, im just a nursing student and not yet a RN but my belief is that you only find something offending if it means youre guilty bout it...hey, thats only my belief.... we as nurses should not be moved only by this articles...Im proud of what i had chosen...we have here a proffesion that is where people really trust...
and by the way copying an article is i think illegal especially for the reason that it will be posted in a forum...:)
Jake,
The article wasn't copied. Part of it was cut and pasted, just enough to pique our interest to read the full article, which was posted by someone else, on a different site. This procedure is per TOS, so you needn't worry that anyone is about to get busted.
That said, I would have to disagree with you that things are only offensive if they happen to be true. That said, I didn't find the article offensive myself. I found it somewhat trite, with little attention paid to accuracy. I would imagine those who are offended by the article feel overworked and underpaid, as so many of us are, and not appreciative that their efforts are dismissed as requiring low skills, which, as I hope we can all agree, is far from the truth.
mama, bsn
13 Posts
Let me first say that there are many adn's that are better nurses than bsn's and vice versa.
I personally believe that a BSN should be entry to practice if we are to ever shed this label. Most adn programs take longer than 2 years anyway, so why not just go for the bsn? If we made a bsn the entry to practice, it would discourage many people that get into the profession for the wrong reasons, and would also improve our standing on the "skill level" and make nurses more respected!