The Doctor said WHAT?

  1. Ok, I am a nursing student in an RN program and we are currently on rounds at a local hospital. I am also the daughter of a physician and RN, who was taught from a very young age to speak up about things, in a professional manner.
    Scenario in point, I was on rounds at the hospital and we were at the nurses station setting up meds and a conversation is starting between 2 doctors who involve us in the conversation. My senior nurse instructor is standing with us doing the meds and hears the whole thing transpire.

    Doc 1 says, "Nurses around here have it easy." (my ears burning, mouth is shut)

    Doc 2 says, "Yeah, I don't know why they don't prioritize better. If they did they would not have so many complaints about so many things and tasks would be completed." (mouth still shut, face red, glaring at my instructor who is giving me the "PLEASE don't say anything or I will kill you look.")

    Doc 1 says, "I should come down here and do my own rounds." (I laughed out loud thus involving myself into a now volatile situation)

    Doc 2 turns and says, "Young lady are you alright" (now I could take the moral low road and just lie and say I was talking to my friend) Not me, LOL.

    Nursing student (me) says, "I heard your conversation and was little surprised is all." (Nursing instructor is now bright red and praying I am not going to say what she already knows I am)

    Doc 1 says, "Oh, what about our private conversation was surprising"

    Nursing student says, "My dad went to med school and is a physician and he didn't tell me they had nurse training while they were there" (Nursing instructor slaps her forehead, blinks 400 times, and runs off to find a body bag for me)

    Doc 2 chokes then says, "Well I went to medical school and I can surely do any nurses job. Besides you're a student you can't possible know things as of yet.

    Doc 1 is standing with his mouth gaping open, speechless.

    Nursing student says, "I am sure these nurses would appreciate some assistance. BTW I have to give meds out, would you like to help"

    Thus resulting in both of them shaking their heads and walking away.

    Now, I realize this conversation could have, and probably should have went a different direction, but it gives me sunburn on my ass when I hear doctors say things like that. Of all places, in FRONT OF the nurses station. That is adding insult to injury. Most of those nurses standing around weren't going to say anything, for obvious reasons, but the idea that they have to put up with that nonsense is enraging to me. I am a foolish nursing student, but I don't believe what those docs did was right, professional, or even tolerable. The fact they BELIEVE the things they were saying was a laugh.

    Anyways, do you all have to listen to Docs speak that way on a regular basis?
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  3. by   EmmaG


    You're alright LOL
  4. by   ZootRN
    Quote from nurz2be
    Ok, I am a nursing student in an RN program and we are currently on rounds at a local hospital. I am also the daughter of a physician and RN, who was taught from a very young age to speak up about things, in a professional manner.
    Scenario in point, I was on rounds at the hospital and we were at the nurses station setting up meds and a conversation is starting between 2 doctors who involve us in the conversation. My senior nurse instructor is standing with us doing the meds and hears the whole thing transpire.

    Doc 1 says, "Nurses around here have it easy." (my ears burning, mouth is shut)

    Doc 2 says, "Yeah, I don't know why they don't prioritize better. If they did they would not have so many complaints about so many things and tasks would be completed." (mouth still shut, face red, glaring at my instructor who is giving me the "PLEASE don't say anything or I will kill you look.")

    Doc 1 says, "I should come down here and do my own rounds." (I laughed out loud thus involving myself into a now volatile situation)

    Doc 2 turns and says, "Young lady are you alright" (now I could take the moral low road and just lie and say I was talking to my friend) Not me, LOL.

    Nursing student (me) says, "I heard your conversation and was little surprised is all." (Nursing instructor is now bright red and praying I am not going to say what she already knows I am)

    Doc 1 says, "Oh, what about our private conversation was surprising"

    Nursing student says, "My dad went to med school and is a physician and he didn't tell me they had nurse training while they were there" (Nursing instructor slaps her forehead, blinks 400 times, and runs off to find a body bag for me)

    Doc 2 chokes then says, "Well I went to medical school and I can surely do any nurses job. Besides you're a student you can't possible know things as of yet.

    Doc 1 is standing with his mouth gaping open, speechless.

    Nursing student says, "I am sure these nurses would appreciate some assistance. BTW I have to give meds out, would you like to help"

    Thus resulting in both of them shaking their heads and walking away.

    Now, I realize this conversation could have, and probably should have went a different direction, but it gives me sunburn on my ass when I hear doctors say things like that. Of all places, in FRONT OF the nurses station. That is adding insult to injury. Most of those nurses standing around weren't going to say anything, for obvious reasons, but the idea that they have to put up with that nonsense is enraging to me. I am a foolish nursing student, but I don't believe what those docs did was right, professional, or even tolerable. The fact they BELIEVE the things they were saying was a laugh.

    Anyways, do you all have to listen to Docs speak that way on a regular basis?
    Oh yes.
    And when you are not a student anymore and a staff nurse, those doctors will run to your manager and will report you as being rude and inappropriate. Or if they won't, than you colleagues would, because quick wits and smart *** comments are not part of a nursing "culture". I know it first hand, because I am very outspoken myself and was pulled into mgr office once exactly for that reason.
    Learn to be subordinate, pleasant and as less visible as possible.
    I'm not being sarcastic - just some survival tips for the future.
  5. by   facetiousgoddess
    Not if they want to live!!!!

    Tres

    Who is leaving it to other posters to be far more erudite and articulate than my sleep deprived self can possibly be at this moment!
  6. by   UM Review RN
    Quote from mystic_fish0526
    Oh yes.
    And when you are not a student anymore and a staff nurse, those doctors will run to your manager and will report you as being rude and inappropriate. Or if they won't, than you colleagues would, because quick wits and smart *** comments are not part of a nursing "culture". I know it first hand, because I am very outspoken myself and was pulled into mgr office once exactly for that reason.
    Learn to be subordinate, pleasant and as less visible as possible.
    I'm not being sarcastic - just some survival tips for the future.

    I agree. Believe me when I say that as far as nursing culture goes, we have to choose our battles carefully in order to do our jobs well.
  7. by   EmmaG
    Quote from mystic_fish0526
    Learn to be subordinate, pleasant and as less visible as possible.
    I'm not being sarcastic - just some survival tips for the future.
    Subordinate??
  8. by   GeauxNursing
    subordinate??? yea, right!
  9. by   FNimuaeMae
    Ummm... being a professional nurse among doctors does not mean you have to be "subordinate".

    Missy
  10. by   ZootRN
    In place where I work nurses ARE expected to be subordinate to doctors. It is not the best place, but it's a different story. You have your say in whatever, but it only goes so far. Nursing can think of itself as an independent discipline academically, but in the way hospitals are run, medicine is on the very top of others. I can't think of nurses bossing doctors around, but doctors do it all the time with us, and administration is on their side because they are the ones who bring money.
    While no hospital can function without nurses, nurses are on the very bottom of the hospital totem pole.
    I actually was written up once for something that RT did because doctor said so and mgr was eager to please.
    Last edit by ZootRN on Dec 31, '07
  11. by   XB9S
    Quote from Emmanuel Goldstein
    Subordinate??
    my thoughts exactly. I work in partnership with my doctors and expect the same of them.
  12. by   Tait
    I don't know, I think it's pretty damn funny myself.

    A lot of nurses I know that are very strong in personality eventually come to terms with physicians and often they don't get much flak from the docs, especially if they are very conscientious, concise and often right in their ideas/treatment options etc.

    I say do it, but make sure your actions can back up your mouth.

    I believe the majority of physicians would take a little sass and a lot of capability over someone they have to spoon feed orders too.

    But it all depends on your specific hospital.

    Tait
  13. by   dria
    props to you for making your point with a reasonable amount of tact and light humor, and making a graceful exit before things got ugly.
  14. by   Christie RN2006
    Since when can doctors say whatever they want to degrade me and other fellow nurses, but I can't say anything to them for fear of being "insubordinate". The doctors are not my boss. I will show them respect, but I will not take crap from someone being an idiot whether they are a doctor or someone on the street. Doctors are human beings just like nurses are...sometimes I do wonder what planet they are from though...

    I am not saying that we should go on this big "I'm better than you" rant, but we need to choose our battles wisely and learn to stand up to someone when its needed and when you do stand up to someone, choose your words wisely.

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