Sometimes the five rights make us look dumb

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Do you REALLY ask every patient to state their name and date of birth before every medication that you administer? I was doing it for a while, and I always prefaced it with "for your safety, can you please state your name and date of birth", check against the wrist band and go on. Part of my problem is that I work nights, and sleep is hard enough to come by in the hospital as it is. But, early on, I had a few patients respond with different variations of "how dumb are you that you can't remember who I am?" And I see their point. Once we've done the initial identification, and they haven't even moved out of bed, I am pretty sure that I can identify them accurately- at least for the next eight hours, and especially when I've had them 5 days in a row. Additionally, I've got some patients on antibiotics spaced two hours apart all night- I can scan their bracelet, the IV bag, and start it without even waking them, so the name and date of birth part- not so much happening every time. I've got an orientee now, and I want to set someone else off on the right track, so I just want to know how others practice. And what are your thoughts on balancing common sense with the by-the-book safety aspect.

Specializes in Critical Care.
The right position? I'm coming up empty on what this could be in reference to. If a med is supposed to be given with the patient in a sitting position?

Naw, I think they're talking about missionary.

Specializes in Psych (25 years), Medical (15 years).

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Specializes in Neuro ICU and Med Surg.

Most meds I administer are in emergent situations and patients aren't always able to talk. I look at the arm band and match the name and birthday to the MAR. If a patient can answer then I ask. I can always check the wrist band since I have to scan it anyway. Even if I give a med not scanned (scanner will not work which happens a lot) then I can still check the wrist band as an added measure of safety.

I have been a patient and I am always asked name and birthday when a nurse gives me medicaiton. I have no issue with it. I know it can be repetative, but still better than making a mistake.

We had a patient get sent down for an MRI with contrast one night in the neuro ICU I worked in. MRI called and asked for the nurse caring for the patient in x room. I transferred the call. The MRI tech set up transport and a time for the patient to come down. They never confirmed the name with the nurse because if they did the patient would have never made it down to MRI. The patient they were looking for was actually transferred out of unit. The MRI staff failed to check the band before the scan as well. As a neuro ICU nurse we didn't think anything of them calling and requesting the patient for a post op MRI. Thankfully nothing adverse happened.

So as a patient ask away my name and birthday even if it is annoying. If it keeps me from getting a medicaiton I do not need, or am allergic to, or is contraindicated then ask away. Same goes for keeping me from unnecessary testing.

As a nurse if I were the patient, I would think the nurse pretty stupid if he or she did not Identify me using two identifiers before giving meds.

I remember patients thought the day and sometimes mix them up a little if I am busy or a couple of them have similar things going on. I id prior to each episode of med giving. I see OP is MSN. I don't know what your MSN specialty is, but I would think you'd be more safety oriented. I have recently worked with students a good bit. I would not want to have you as a mentor for a capstone student where you were supervising med administration. This could come back to bite you hard. I don't mean to sound snotty, but there are some things you should never compromise on.

Specializes in Travel, Home Health, Med-Surg.

I have been in nursing for a very long time (almost 20 yrs), enough to see regulations are now running a muck. It is impossible for a bedside nurse to do everything "by the book" with so many requirements, paperwork etc. To be honest there have been times when I didn't always do the 5-20 rights but I was comfortable enough with that particular patient to not (same pt for 3 days etc.). Every nurse needs to know where their personal level of shortcuts is, for some it may be the med rules, for others something else. It just is not possible to get everything done the 'right way'. I am not advocating for any shortcuts but for nurses to be extremely comfortable (meaning no harm will be done) with the ones they are taking. And, yes to some people it makes us look dumb because they don't understand why we keep asking, even if we tell them.

Lovenox and insulin are also positional. As are vaccines...pharmacist giving me a flu shot was waaay high last year and I said something....

What position does a pt need to be in on order to get either of these. I have given both to PTs who were supine, HOP 30 degrees, sitting up, and standing.

Are you referring to proper landmarks for a shot? While I can't imagine what is meant by "positonal", I am pretty sure that's not it.

Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.
Lovenox and insulin are also positional. As are vaccines...pharmacist giving me a flu shot was waaay high last year and I said something....

Positional means what position the patient is in (lying down vs. sitting vs. standing).

Going through 14 rights is ridiculous! Personally, I do think the two identifiers is prudent. I will say we are having less med errors than when we were givng 40 of lasix to the to the man in 24-2 and documenting on paper! Back then, there were many errors! Many were unreported. When we got wind of the evidence about errors ( aka 100,000 lives and other studies) we had to change. The OP was really talking about identifiers (name, DOB) not all of the rights anyway. I'd rather a patient think I was a pain that that I was the person who gave them the wrong patient's med! Believe me, nothing makes a nurse feel or look worse than a med error!

Frankly, it depends on a patient's mental status. If I'm doing neuro checks or have questions about the patient's orientation, I do it just about every time. Easy way to get A&O x1 out of the way. If anyone gives me guff or questions, I explain that it's a legal safety issue.

Specializes in LTC and Pediatrics.

I recently had a patient with an unusual name and he told us that on 3 occasions, there was another person with the same name in the same hospital, floor, etc at the same time. He learned he needed to make sure they had the right person as one time they were going to take him for a procedure which was really for the other guy.

I work in long term care. Until you know the patient inside and out, use your 5 right and guaranteed you will never make an error!

7 Rights:

1)Right Patient

2)Right Medication

3)Right Dose

4)Right Time

5)Right Route

6)Right Purpose

7)Right Documentation

I found about the last two after about 7 years of nursing experience.

I work in NY.

Specializes in SCI/TBI, Hospice, Legal Nurse Consulting.

I would hope that within a 12 hour shift you take the time and effort to actually talk to those who are able and get to know who they are and what their name is. Even if I get a patient 1 hour before shift change, assuming they are coherent, I find out as much personal info as I can. We need to remember these are not just patients; these are people. "Room 1107" is not good enough.

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