Religion's Place in Nursing - page 33
I often read Billy Graham's column and thought today's was particulary pertinent to our profession. I'm just curious as to your own personal thoughts and feelings on the matter. (Please, no... Read More
May 17, '04Occupation: Student Joined: Dec '03; Posts: 337; Likes: 20Bay,
My mommy always told me that you dont talk money, politics, religion, or sex in polite society...ah..the southern belle ness shows!
May 17, '04Occupation: Case Manager Specialty: 12 year(s) of experience in Case Manager, LTC,Staff Dev/NAT Instr ; From: US ; Joined: May '04; Posts: 178; Likes: 20I have to add to this thread, because it has gotten into a debate, non-believers I am not going to bash you because you are doing only what you are suppose to because you are non-believers, my fellow Christians, you have done what is asked of you, you have spoken on what you believe, so now stand on it and let it go, " If I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men unto Me" John 12:32, I believe Jesus died and rose again, I believe in the Trinity, I believe that oneday I'm gonna leave this world of heartache and pain, and go to a place of no more dying, suffering, and gain PEACE, maybe I'll be persecuted here for believing in Christ Jesus, but that's only for a season, I also did learn alot of how (WE Christians) act is based on how we help people to Christ, we have to stop bashing people for how they believe and show love, humbleness, all the fruits of the Spirit as Jesus did to one another, then will we as Christians have more people come to Christ, sure everyone is gonna backslide we are only human but let's help pick each other back up and put our brother or sister on the right trail and stop all this persecuting each other. LOVE is the greatest gift of all. And everyone is not going to be SAVED, keep in mind to lean not to OUR OWN understanding Proverbs 3:5-6 for those that have a desire to know Christ *1st Pray and ask for His guidance, then get you a reference bible and search the scriptures daily, read the entirety book of John in the New Testament, He will lead you to a Christian(s) to help you better understand His Word, and finally never go to any sanctuary, church, etc. putting your hopes and trust in man, go with your focus on the Lord and Him only for His ways and thoughts are not ours. I hope I have said something to help someone, as for anyone touching this post negatively, you are only doing what you know how. I go in peace.
a soft answer turns away wrathLast edit by 1BlessedRN on May 17, '04
May 17, '04Joined: Mar '04; Posts: 801; Likes: 2You can quote the bible to support almost anything and any view, so I turn off those that quote it to try to bolster their views. Even Ophrah says so! LOL.
My personal opinion is that if you are believer, well OK. That's fine. Whether I believe or not, is frankly, nobody's business but mine. But I dislike being preached to. One's faith ought to be a private matter, IMHO.
This isn't negative. It's just a different view.
May 17, '04Occupation: Nurse Practitioner Specialty: 4 year(s) of experience in Retail Health ; From: US ; Joined: Feb '04; Posts: 38; Likes: 6"Kinda sounds like my own personal religion that I have here at home! LOL! Seriously, it resembles sort of what I think. I refuse to follow any one church because none of them really follow the ideas I have."
***I understand your frustration as it is difficult to find a church that sticks to the true word of God, however, I encourage you to keep looking. ***
"For instance, I support gays in every way....I think God made us all and loves us all. I also question the idea of a trinity (The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost). BUT, I do believe in the rapture and of Jesus dying for our sins. "
***CNM2B: Yes, God did create us all and loves us all but what we must understand is that God hates SIN not the people committing the sin. My question to you is this, if you believe in the rapture, who do you think God is going to rapture up? All people? Certainly not. The bible is very clear about who will and will not make it into heaven but people tend to isolate gays and fornicators as if those sins are larger the others. God requires that his followers present themselves as living sacrifices according the commandments and guidelines he laid out (which when you think about it are beneficial to us anyways.) I mean, really, what's so wrong with abstaining from sex until marriage, remaining faithful to your spouse, loving your neighbor, praying for the sick, visiting those in jail, just to name a few.****
Also, for the atheists and agnostics on this post: Im curious to know what you think about the current state of this world? Do you think that the earthquakes, famine, pestilence, wars, personal and spiritual apostasy, and prevalence of murders within families (children killing parents and vice versa) is just a coincidence? I mean has anyone noticed how this world is going downhill? For those who aren't familiar with Revelations, it is the last book of the bible which basically lays out the events that will occur at the end of the world before the return of Jesus. One scrpture says "And when you see these events know that my coming is nigh."
" I may try to find an organized church again at some point, because I DO really want to be baptized, but for now, I'm not ready to throw myself to the wolves again just yet."
***Again, CNM2B, I encourage you to keep looking. Although there are some pastors who have fallen away from biblical teaching, true churches still exist. Be persistent. I encourage you to continue reading your bible and remain prayerful and know that God will direct your path. Having the desire to be baptized is excellent, please do not give up your search. The next breath is not promised so its important to make baptism a top priority in your life. The bible says "Repent and be baptized, every one of you for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." If interested please read the book of John Chapter 3 (you can go to Biblegateway.com for instant access) where Jesus says, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, You must be born again. The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit." ****
I don't mean to preach but Im very passionate about this subject. What I have said above is for people who have open ears and hearts to receiving this. Just as other posters have said you can only believe this by faith which as humans can be so difficult because we are beings who operate through our senses. We always need proof or scientific evidence before we can trust but just as someone else said, noone knows anything for sure, either you put your faith in God or in a scientist/theorist/philospher etc. I am not trying to bash anyone, please understand. Just food for thought.
May 17, '04Occupation: Nurse Practitioner Specialty: 4 year(s) of experience in Retail Health ; From: US ; Joined: Feb '04; Posts: 38; Likes: 6Caroladybelle: In response to your statement "there is no need to be a Christian to ensure a happy after-life" Im just wondering how you came to that conclusion?
May 17, '04Occupation: Software Engineer Joined: May '04; Posts: 343; Likes: 2Quote from ncprevYeah, and the flip-side, how can you be sure of a happy after-life if you *are* a Christian. Look how many types of Christian churches there are. They can't all be right, can they? Especially with as much venom and "we're right they're wrong" I hear.Caroladybelle: In response to your statement "there is no need to be a Christian to ensure a happy after-life" Im just wondering how you came to that conclusion?
May 17, '04Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 14,843; Likes: 8,039for the record... cults scare me.
don't ya think we're getting a bit sidetracked again? remember???
religious beliefs in nursing, and how the nurse relates to the patient concerning his/her religious belief!!
i thought this was what we were supposed to talk about.
not all that extraneous stuff: you know, ("my)beliefs are better than yours,"
("you're)going to go to hell," (i'm)an athiest," ("i'm)jewish. i believe the laws of moses," ("mine) is the only true belief, etc, etc.
do ya see it?? these arguements are all about me, my, mine, and your. there"s nothing about any of this type of statement that relates to the patient & his/her religious background.
if i remember correctly, when we were in nursing school, we were taught to as nurses, relate to and provide their essentials, be it food, and/or the practices of their beliefs in their everyday life, that relate to the hospital environment.
i will now get off of my soapbox you all have a good evning.:hatparty:
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May 17, '04Occupation: Nurse Practitioner Specialty: 4 year(s) of experience in Retail Health ; From: US ; Joined: Feb '04; Posts: 38; Likes: 6Excellent duckboy20!!!! I absolutely agree with you.
Quote from duckboy20I feel a lot of negative postings will come about the above message but oh well.
I feel that if you believe in God and the Bible it is not intellectually sound to say there could not have been a resurrection. First of all, if you believe in God I am guessing that you would believe in Creationsism. To believe in that you would believe that God created this world and everything in it, including the people. Therefore what would limit him to being able to raise someone from the dead? Jesus' resurrection is not the only time someone was raised from the dead in the Bible so I guess those are false as well?
It is no use believing in God if you don't believe in the resurrection. If the resurrection did not happen then there is no way to salvation so you might as well believe there is not a god, or at least the biblical God, because the resurrection is the only way to salvation through him.
True the Bible has a lot of metaphors. The parables are a big example. I also believe that lots of writings in the Bible actually happened but are there for us to learn by and apply to our own life.
A person on a prior posting was talking about other writings during that time and why didn't they have as much validity or many Christians read those books and believe also what they say about what happened during that time period. I myself believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, meaning he was speaking through the authors of it, and he chose what would encompass the Bible.
I don't know about the other books, I have no doubt they were written during that time and might be equally as valid. I believe though that the Bible is what God layed out for us to go by so that is why I find it necessary to follow it.
I agree with you dlmickley. It is for the very reason that so many who might be interested in learning more will turn their back on religion. We are to approach one another in love, plant the seed and let God manisfest himself in their lives. I too am a firm believer in Christ and the resurrection, however, we cannot force anyone to believe.
Quote from dlmickleyI firmly feel as you do ....... God rose from the dead and is our salvation; but your words come across hateful and condeming, an attitude that turns people away rather than reaching them. Tolerance and prayer is what is needed here. I realize you may not mean it but you come across as someone who has no love or compassion for those that don't believe as you do. Use your passion for prayer rather than attack and Gods work and word will go much further.
Hello Jemommy, while I understand where you're coming from just remember that the bible also says we don't have to argue the scripture because it will manifest itself in time. Just look at the world now and how the events from revelations are already unfolding. The truth will be revealed in the end. Its up to non-believers to either accept or reject it. We're only responsible for planting the seed. We have confidence in Jesus so we can rest in that. Don't get you're blood pressure up over it, not all people will be saved, its that simple.
Quote from jemommyThank you for your calm words. It just really angers me when people question our precious Lord. Speaking nicely to them won't reach out. Just because i am a christian does that mean that I can't stand up for God (what is right). I'm not going to just let people degrade my Jesus and what He stands for without a fight. I feel as strongly about Him as I do any other member in my family. He is sooo Precious. He's my Savior. I love Him wholeheartedly and someone has to stand up to these NONBELIEVERS. It is not my job to convince them to believe, but it is my DUTY as a christian woman to correct their ignorance when speaking about GOD.Last edit by Nelly, FNP on May 17, '04
May 17, '04Occupation: Nurse Consultant Specialty: 24 year(s) of experience in Obstetrics, M/S, Psych ; Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 3,105; Likes: 49Also, for the atheists and agnostics on this post: Im curious to know what you think about the current state of this world? Do you think that the earthquakes, famine, pestilence, wars, personal and spiritual apostasy, and prevalence of murders within families (children killing parents and vice versa) is just a coincidence? I mean has anyone noticed how this world is going downhill? For those who aren't familiar with Revelations, it is the last book of the bible which basically lays out the events that will occur at the end of the world before the return of Jesus. One scrpture says "And when you see these events know that my coming is nigh."
May 17, '04Joined: Mar '04; Posts: 5,926; Likes: 15Can we close this thread? It has turned from a nice, peaceful discussion from a couple days ago into ridiculous arguing over things that no one is going to change anyone's mind about.
May 17, '04Occupation: icu nurse Joined: Jul '02; Posts: 10,260; Likes: 233Does anyone else want to second this request???
I think this thread has possibly done it's dash and become too tangled to continue. If you want to start another thread "exploring the role of religion in relation to the paradigm of the nurse client interface as it pertains to the health care milieu" please, by all means feel free to do so.
(:imbar sorry - couldn't resist a bit of psuedojargon there!!!)