Prayer @ staff meeting - page 3
At a recent "mandatory" staff meeting the ADON requested one of the nurses to open our meeting with a prayer. We work in a state correctional facility. No one seemed offended, I just thought it was... Read More
Apr 20, '09Joined: Sep '03; Posts: 273; Likes: 177I have had an administrator pray, talk to Jesus, talk in tongues, hear the voice of God and cast out Satan at staff meetings after going into a trance, singing hymns and religioius songs she made up. Bear in mind that this individual was manic and in need of psychiatric treatment. In fact, this person screamed and yelled and cast Satan out of me individually when I did not follow through with an inappropriate order to actually violate the law. Unfortunately, she could not cast out her own demons.
Nothing fazes me these days.
However, you can not be discriminated against because of your religion. This can be reported to the E.E.O.C. and they will investigate this as a violation of your civil rights.
In the above mentioned situation, it would have been appropriate to report this individual to the state licensing board as possibly impaired. I didn't do that, but I should have.
Apr 20, '09Joined: Aug '05; Posts: 651; Likes: 549I think ANY religion should be a private matter and not imposed on a mandatory staff meeting (silent prayers to your own faith being an exception IMO). Also, in a perfect world.. discussing it with the ADON first would be very nice.. however I am having a HARD time believing an ADON wouldn't know this was not appropriate. *shrugs*
Therefore, I would also go to HR.
Apr 20, '09Occupation: ACUTE REHAB Specialty: 16 year(s) of experience in acute rehab, med surg, LTC, peds, home c ; From: US ; Joined: Feb '09; Posts: 682; Likes: 672Quote from new_mom2005I cant believe that anyone would get offended at praying. IF YOU DONT WANT TO THEN JUST DONT DO IT
If you were amongst a group of Muslim nurses at a mandatory meeting and they said "OK we're going to pray now" and proceeded to pray the way some muslims do, on the floor with the bowing down and so forth, Would you still feel the same way? Or is it just that it doesn't bother you so you can't imagine why it would bother anybody?
Believe it or not, there are people in this world, myself included, who think that organized religion is the bane of our existence and would prefer to have nothing to do with it.
This situation would annoy me and make me think the DON was an ass, but I probably would just tolerate it forget about it. If it continued, I might have to speak up, anonymously to HR. I would never want to incur the wrath of a bunch of Christians.
Apr 20, '09Occupation: ACUTE REHAB Specialty: 16 year(s) of experience in acute rehab, med surg, LTC, peds, home c ; From: US ; Joined: Feb '09; Posts: 682; Likes: 672Quote from erroridiotI don't think I could tolerate these conditions. Do you work in the bible belt? What was the inappropriate order? Just wondering.I have had an administrator pray, talk to Jesus, talk in tongues, hear the voice of God and cast out Satan at staff meetings after going into a trance, singing hymns and religioius songs she made up. Bear in mind that this individual was manic and in need of psychiatric treatment. In fact, this person screamed and yelled and cast Satan out of me individually when I did not follow through with an inappropriate order to actually violate the law. Unfortunately, she could not cast out her own demons.
Apr 20, '09Occupation: Home Health Specialty: 20 year(s) of experience in COS-C, Risk Management ; From: TR ; Joined: Jun '05; Posts: 1,203; Likes: 1,038Quote from meluhnPersonally, I would be totally stoked, but I'm a Muslim. As regards the original situation, if the ADON leading the meeting didn't understand that prayer was inappropriate at that time and place, odds are you're better off going over her head to HR about it.If you were amongst a group of Muslim nurses at a mandatory meeting and they said "OK we're going to pray now" and proceeded to pray the way some muslims do, on the floor with the bowing down and so forth, Would you still feel the same way?
Apr 20, '09From: US ; Joined: Mar '08; Posts: 59; Likes: 29Quote from LaneyBit bothers you to the point that you want it to stop why not just bring it up to the person who requested it be done first?! I'd go that route before HR.
I would definitely not bring it up to the ADON. I think the idea to bring it up, hopefully anonymously, to HR is a much better plan.
I agree. THe professional thing to do is to notify HR anonymously through the established complain channel. I'm sure that the state has such a route for expressing your concerns. An HR hotline perhaps. I also agree that the prayer is inappropriate, and I pray every night before bed (almost every night...). This is not a religious issues, it's a clear lack of professionalism.
Apr 20, '09Joined: Apr '09; Posts: 11; Likes: 20I am in a position of Leadership in my hospital. We have on occasion large like 700-900 person meetings outside the facility. Each time they open it with a prayer. I am an atheist and after I found out they did this, I just excuse myself out of the room until the prayer is over. I was questioned by the CEO and my manager as to why I did this and basically told them that Im here to obtain work related information not faith related information and that while I respect their right to participate in their faith, I choose not to and will continue to wait outside the room until they are completed. They understood and I have never had any further issues with it. So basically what Im saying is talk with the powers that be and leave the room if you find it offensive or inappropriate.
Apr 20, '09Joined: Sep '03; Posts: 273; Likes: 177I do not work in the bible belt.
Against the law: admitting patients not qualified for services and/or refusing care to obtain their insurance money for one, not providing ordered services to patients, violating patient rights, etc. ....the list is endless, twisted and complex.
No, I don't work there now. Too many trances, tongues and fraudulent activities for me.
Apr 20, '09Occupation: RN; office/ambulatory care Specialty: 25 year(s) of experience in amb.care,mental health,geriatrics ; From: US ; Joined: Apr '09; Posts: 82; Likes: 101At my workplace, several employees requested an opportunity to pray together at the start of the day. What we did was meet in an out-of-the-way spot (the kitchen, empty at 8am) and pray privately. We didn't advertise, or put out an e-mail about it, or anything. Those who originally expressed the wish just met quietly just before clocking in, (took less than 2 or 3 minutes) and got to work. Some people noticed and expressed curiosity and decided to join us, others just went about their work. It was never bandied about, none of us ever tried to get anyone to come who didn't show up completely on their own.
I'm a Christian, and to me, we should be able to pray with others at work if we want, but not in a way that makes anyone feel coerced or judged for not doing it. Our job is to spread love, not cause division and hard feelings.
Apr 20, '09Occupation: NICU From: US ; Joined: Sep '08; Posts: 198; Likes: 373Whether you choose to go directly to the person or report her I think you should suggest the prayer be replaced by a silent reflection. That way those who want to can pray those that don't can just reflect. All nurses need a quiet moment during the day! I feel it is more professional instead of just complaining about a problem to also propose a solution.
Apr 20, '09Joined: Apr '09; Posts: 2I agree that if you have a problem with someone then it is part of your professional role to bring that to the person's attention. If this doesn't yield the result you intended then move on to HR or a supervisor. To not take this in your own hands is passing the responsibility to someone else.
Apr 21, '09Occupation: Staff Nurse L&D Specialty: 25 year(s) of experience in OB, NICU, PP, ; From: US ; Joined: Apr '06; Posts: 3; Likes: 1Perhaps a "moment of silence" or an inspirational reading would make the powers that be happy, and not offend...after all...compromise is music to their ears these days! :vlin:
Apr 21, '09Occupation: RN Specialty: 6 year(s) of experience in ltc ; From: ZM ; Joined: Jul '08; Posts: 4,125; Likes: 3,998I don't think prayer should be required at the workplace. Now if nurses wanted to pray together on their own thats find, but to open a meeting with a prayer I disagree with. As a christian myself I do believe that there is a time and a place for everything. If I were around muslims or some other religious group that wasn't mind and they wanted me to pray I would respectfully refuse.
Before almost every nursing exam a group of my classmates and I do a prayer circle in the hall in the corner. Who ever wants to join us they can. However, we wouldn't stand in the class room and tell everyone to join in.