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i'm going to keep this nice and polite i promise mods!:)

i'm just hoping that one of the smart student/new nurse posters can answer this.

i know that we have quite a few people on here that do not have the title nurse, either rn/lpn. we have some great, intelligent students,new nurses,cna's, techs, etc. most of them add a lot of interesting elements and variety to the posts and i enjoy reading them.

however, i really want to know something. i have noticed this with several other posters(not the above ones) on several occasions. why on earth would someone that is not a nurse think they could ever tell a nurse how to do their job? or think that limited clinical experience is enough to say they know what a nurse does?

i mean, i would never think of say, jumping in a thread telling ob nurses how they should do something or how they could do it better. i've never done ob (not counting school)

i guess this is just frustrating as it seems people think it's so easy to do this job! it's not, it has hard times, fun times, sad,break your heart in two times. but it's not a job that you can learn how to do in a few semesters of school. it takes years. fortunately, i think that most of our students here know that and respect that.

so, what's the thought on the ones that don't know? is it their egos? overconfidence?

i'm really interested in replies.

Specializes in OB, M/S, HH, Medical Imaging RN.

It's a free country with freedom of speech and Thank God for that! I don't have a problem with anyone posting no matter their profession I just find it odd that non-nurses and non-nursing students join. I am a nurse and thats why I'm here and not on a real estate forum.

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Specializes in cardiac med-surg.

:yeahthat:

It's a free country with freedom of speech and Thank God for that! I don't have a problem with anyone posting no matter their profession I just find it odd that non-nurses and non-nursing students join. I am a nurse and thats why I'm here and not on a real estate forum.
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Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.
What's wrong with a different perspective? If the only people nurses listen to are other nurses, we'd be finding ourselves thinking in an ever decreasing sized box. Bring it on I say. Maybe I can learn something from outside my box. And maybe I can share what I've learned with the non-nurse. Keep communication open. When we stop talking, listening and sharing, we're done for. Might as well close all the schools. I've seen the teacher learn from the student.

Amen.:smilecoffeeIlovecof

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Specializes in Day Surgery/Infusion/ED.

It's one thing to post a different idea/perspective; quite another when those individuals lecture/scold.

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Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
It's a free country with freedom of speech and Thank God for that! I don't have a problem with anyone posting no matter their profession I just find it odd that non-nurses and non-nursing students join. I am a nurse and thats why I'm here and not on a real estate forum.

Check our Terms of Service. We are a moderated forum. Not a free for all where people can post anything and everything.

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Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
Even when communication is disagreeable, it can be positive if said in the right way. I know it's hard on a message board beacuse you can't hear tones and voice inflections but it's sometimes very obvious when someone is being nasty.

I think you have a point. It's all a matter of how you present your disagreement.

Say someone doesn't like nurses in the nurses station to talk about "drug seekers". A non-nurse who chimes in "well I guess you've never been in pain, how dare you judge, I hope you're never and pain and if I'm in the hospital I hope you're not my nurse!" is definately going to get an answer like "You're not a nurse, until you work with these kinds of patients, please shut up". And it deteriorates from there.

Like other people, I appreciate input from others. I can only imagine how my mouth and even some of my practices might be questionable in the newbies eyes. Instead of me saying "well there's what they teach you in school and there's the real world", perhaps I need to take a moment to pause and consider what's been said.............I am more likely to do so if said criticism is given in a professional tone. I can take criticism well. Older nurses need to not brush off newbies just because they are new, and newbies perhaps can learn a lesson or two about presenting their fresh perspective so we all can learn.

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Specializes in Lie detection.
Like other people, I appreciate input from others. I can only imagine how my mouth and even some of my practices might be questionable in the newbies eyes. Instead of me saying "well there's what they teach you in school and there's the real world", perhaps I need to take a moment to pause and consider what's been said.............I am more likely to do so if said criticism is given in a professional tone. I can take criticism well. Older nurses need to not brush off newbies just because they are new, and newbies perhaps can learn a lesson or two about presenting their fresh perspective so we all can learn.

Good points again. This is a good thing when in a situation where advice might be appreciated. I agree that something can be learned from a newbie.

On the other hand, when it's time to vent, it's time to vent!:roll

I think that when nurses are letting off steam is NOT the time for non nurses to chime in with their advice/views when they haven't walked in our shoes. I mean really, where else can we feel safe to discuss nursing issues that just irk the you know what out of us? Just let us be, you may one day find yourself saying the exact same words.:D We're still great nurses!

As far as some other stuff posted, yes real life nursing is very different from textbook nursing. I have sometimes scared myself. But it is reality and taking care of the pt's is first and foremost no matter what the textbook says. There are some situations that come up you will never find in any book. Ok, I'm bringing back strange memories now :uhoh3:

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Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.

I think that when nurses are letting off steam is NOT the time for non nurses to chime in with their advice/views when they haven't walked in our shoes.

This made me think of a few ER posts that i had replied on as a student, and the good ol' standard (yet very tired) reply of "wait till yer a nurse", "work in the ER and THEN tell me that," etc.

Ok, well i'm a nurse, been on for a little over two years. Still don't feel any difference on the same subjects than i did as a student. Worked in the ER for a little while PRN. Still don't feel any difference of opinion for the things i replied about as a student (i quit the ER because of the co-workers, not the job itself).

Thing of it is though, i feel that someone should be able to give their perception on a situation without having "wait till you're a nurse" slapped back at them as a reply. Their experience once they become a nurse just might not change their feelings on something.

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Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.

I agree. Sometimes we need to vent, and that's it. No further input is needed, we just need to get it out and move on. People should let us know they hear and understand. Take the vent for what it is and don't over analyze what horrible nurses we must be. :)

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Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
This made me think of a few ER posts that i had replied on as a student, and the good ol' standard (yet very tired) reply of "wait till yer a nurse", "work in the ER and THEN tell me that," etc.

Ok, well i'm a nurse, been on for a little over two years. Still don't feel any difference on the same subjects than i did as a student. Worked in the ER for a little while PRN. Still don't feel any difference of opinion for the things i replied about as a student (i quit the ER because of the co-workers, not the job itself).

Thing of it is though, i feel that someone should be able to give their perception on a situation without having "wait till you're a nurse" slapped back at them as a reply. Their experience once they become a nurse just might not change their feelings on something.

Good point. The "wait until you're a nurse" reply is not a good response and is very condescending.

Sometimes people giving their perceptions when we're venting is not really necessary. We're just venting, if one can't relate, just move on. Or the way they respond is not appropriate.

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Specializes in Day Surgery/Infusion/ED.

I'm sorry, but I think it is simply not valid for someone who has no experience in an area to tell the experienced person "You should have done this/you should have done that..."

I don't work in an OR; I work in same day surgery. I would never dream of opining on what is/is not appropriate OR procedure/practice. Same thing with OB. The only things I know about OB are the bare necessities you need to work in the ED, where I also work.

Whatever.

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Specializes in neuro, m/s, renal, ortho, home health.

Geez, this nursing instructor must have a problem. Good for you for not participating in this type of useless disscussion. I would think the students would benefit more from an open discussion about what would be best in this type of clinical setting. It's just wrong to have students tattle on floor nurses. This also is a bad example of working as a team.

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