Passing meds you did not pull. - page 2

Hypothetically......if the unit you were assigned to, was made to split a medication cart.........and if one LPN wanted you to administer meds while she pulled the meds...would you? And if this LPN... Read More

  1. by   CraigB-RN
    Of course if the facility was being safe they would be using unit dose and not opening it till it's at the bedside, Hen it makes no difference who "pulls" the meds.
  2. by   WickedRedRN
    Let me add to this. I had a similar situation, meds were late because a nurse left, I got a call to go help on the unit. Another nurse was at the cart pulling meds. She said, "here take these to Mr. X and give them" as she tries to hand me a med cup full of pills.

    I said no, you have the cart, its yours to pass, then promptly walked down the hall to DON and reported incident. Said nurse no longer works at my facility.

    Make no mistake, the license of the "hypothetical" nurse being asked to give meds she did not pull is not "hypothetically" in jeopardy, it *IS* in dire danger. Personally, I would run, not walk from this environment. Not to mention the jeopardy the residents are in from this incompetence.

  3. by   linzz
    No, I would just not do this. It is way too risky. If it came down to it, I would certainly start looking for a new job right away. It is very unfair of any facility to ask a nurse to do this.
  4. by   AlabamaBelle
    Hypothetically, get out now. Yesterday wasn't soon enough.

    Hypothetically, of course.

  5. by   VivaLasViejas
    Said hypothetical nurse already KNOWS the answer to this hypothetical situation, and thus, I suspect, is looking for confirmation of her hypothesis.

    And what it is, should be a no-brainer for anyone who values his/her license: Don't pass it if you didn't pour it. I've seen lawsuits filed, livelihoods lost, and careers ended because someone forgot this most basic principle of med administration.

    'Nuff said.
  6. by   Midwest4me
    As everyone else has said, "no". This practice is a dangerous one for the patients as well as for the nurses. Making a second set of med cart keys is a smaller price to pay than the price of a lawsuit or fines slapped upon the facility.
  7. by   Dalzac
    Oh hell no. and I would suspect anyone who won't give up keys for another nurse to give her meds as someone who may be deferring narcotics.
  8. by   HM2VikingRN
    Absolutely not.
  9. by   HM2VikingRN
    Drop a dime on the facility to the licensing agency. This needs to be aggressively investigated. Better to be a whistleblower who keeps your license than collude in illegal behaviors.

    "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
  10. by   canoehead
    No way in hell would I do that.
  11. by   nrsang97
    Nope no way. I would be looking for a new job ASAP.
  12. by   Dolce
    Oh man. There are just so many things wrong with that scenario. There is no way in the world I would want to be giving mystery meds to my patients.
  13. by   TrudyRN
    You need to absolutely refuse to do this, either as the puller or the passer.

    You need to get a new job right away. Today. Ain't no hypothesis about it.

    You need to notify the Administrator, the state BON, the families of the residents if you're feeling bold, and the newspaper, radio and TV, AARP, and anyone else you can think of.

    Next, you should demand an exam of the heads of the 2 baboons (no insult meant to baboons) who cooked up this illegal, dangerous, and outrageous scheme. Are there actually nurses who are going along with this illegal and hare-brained procedure? It's these chicken-hearted, terrified, lazy, stupid, I can't think of enough printable bad names to call them - nurses who are going along with this, and the bullies like the LPN and her DON (what an idiot) who always get away with these things - because the chickens won't turn them in. Fear, fear, fear. We have nothing to fear but fear itself. These idiot nurses need to find their courage and REFUSE to go along with this mess even a single sencond more. You pull it, you crush it, you give it, you sign it out. You do yours and I do mine. ONly in the most serious emergency should anyone even consider to violate this most basic principle of safe medicating.

    For the cost of a notebook and a set of keys, this could be so simply changed.

    Have nothing to do with it. Not even a nickel for the subway. "ANNIE"