Nurses children and vaccinations, how do you feel? - page 8
I am on another forum that is very anti-vaccinations for children (or anyone for that matter), and it got me thinking how do nurses and other healthcare workers feel about vaccinations and... Read More
Feb 25, '07Specialty: med-Surg, ICCU, ER and Nurse Manager ; Joined: Feb '07; Posts: 23; Likes: 4Hi.
This is Kitt.
The Minnesota Department of Health reported three deaths of children with influenza who became ill between 01/08/2007 and 02/01/2007. None of the children had received the vaccine for the current infuenza season.
Our clinics were overrun with people wanting the vaccine after the report of deaths and we had to scarmble to get the vaccine in stock.
I believe that it is an individual decision but must be an informed decision based on values and undertanding of the purpose of the vaccines.
Feb 25, '07Joined: Oct '06; Posts: 1,256; Likes: 66Quote from natrgrrl:yeahthat:The hostility between vaxers and nonvaxers is incredible. Be nice to each other. Stop generalizing.
It's great that you have an opinion but just because you think you are more informed doesn't make your opinion the only right opinion.
Will you get the AIDS vaccine when it becomes available? It will most likely...but it could cause...
You get the idea.
Mar 2, '07Occupation: RN, working for Temp Agency in Rehab positions Specialty: Med-Surg, LTC, Rehabiliation Nursing ; Joined: May '05; Posts: 138; Likes: 24Quote from JaneyWI just heard about a new vaccine to prevent shingles. Cannot for the life of me remember where, I am googling now to find out. Anybody else heard of this? I had all my vaccinations, but had the chicken pox the way everybody else in my family did, the moms found out one had it, stuck us all together, and dealt with the miserable, itchy, covered with pink lotion kids all at once. My titer says I am immune, though, so it worked! If there is a vaccine to prevent shingles, sign me UP!I think one of the main reasons for the varicella vaccine is the prevention of shingles later in life--not just the prevention of chicken pox. Shingles are horrific and I would have liked to have had a vaccine to not have to go through what my grandma did with them. Too late for us--we all had chicken pox before the vaccine.
I have a friend who swears that vaccines are what caused her sons autism.
sigh. Its the mercury in it, she swears. I did try to explain you get more mecury from eating tuna fish sandwiches twice a week than from one vaccine, (I did have the research to back that one up, but she did NOT want to hear it. another sigh. Sometimes you just have to agree to disagree, right?) Anyhoooo,,, I do believe in vaccines. Have seen a case of chicken pox that went to far, the child almost died, he is okay now, but, jeesh, if you could avoid that,.....
Okay, off my soapbox.
Mar 2, '07Occupation: RN, working for Temp Agency in Rehab positions Specialty: Med-Surg, LTC, Rehabiliation Nursing ; Joined: May '05; Posts: 138; Likes: 24Okay, big question. I have heard 3 times on this link that some vaccines are derived from aborted fetuses. Does anyone know the validity of these statements? If so, I am not thrilled, but I would like to know. Anyone? This is the first time I have heard this particular rumor.
Mar 2, '07Occupation: Registered Nurse Specialty: 12 year(s) of experience in Psych, Med/Surg, LTC ; From: US ; Joined: Nov '05; Posts: 1,734; Likes: 756Quote from KristyBRNVaxes containing aborted fetal cell lines, their Rx names, and their manufacturersOkay, big question. I have heard 3 times on this link that some vaccines are derived from aborted fetuses. Does anyone know the validity of these statements? If so, I am not thrilled, but I would like to know. Anyone? This is the first time I have heard this particular rumor.
****UPDATED October 4, 2006****
Varivax (CP) - Merck & Co.
Vaqta (Hep A) - Merck & Co.
Havrix (Hep A) - GSK
Twinrix (Hep A & B) - GSK
MMR II - Merck & Co.
MR VAX (measles, rubella) - Merck & Co.
Biavax II (mumps, rubella) - Merck & Co.
Meruvax II (Rubella) - Merck & Co.
ProQuad (MMR + chickenpox) - Merck & Co.
Poliovax - Sanofi Pasteur
Imovax (Rabies) - Sanofi Pasteur
Enbrel (rheumatoid/OsteoArthritis) - Immunex
Xigris (Sepsis) - Eli Lilly
Zostavax (Shingles) - Merck & Co.
Acambis 1000 (Smallpox) - Acambis
New, as-yet-unnamed vaxes being developed for Ebola (mfrd by Crucell/NIH), HIV (Merck), Flu (MedImmune Vaxin), and Avian Flu (Sanofi)
Full (printable) chart & more info at:
More info on how these fetal cell lines were procuredLast edit by GooeyRN on Mar 2, '07
Mar 2, '07Occupation: RN Specialty: High Risk In Patient OB/GYN ; Joined: Apr '06; Posts: 738; Likes: 160Personally, the aborted cells don't bother me on a moral level (I have no problems with abortion), but they certainly throw in an additional ICK factor. Biologically speaking, I don't like other human--or animal--cells injected into my children or myself.
So, yes, it's a very "valid statement".
Mar 2, '07Joined: Aug '04; Posts: 872; Likes: 534Quote from GooeyRNHi I am a MDC'er too!! I mainly lurk, but occasionally jump in. It's amazing the difference in attitude there, vs here, vs a mainstream birth board.I am a bit "soggy" too. We selectively/delay vax. I also had a hospital birth. I am very into the AP part, but the NFL parts I am pretty challanged. Its nice to see you over here, too! Its does get me pretty mad sometimes over there, all of the threads about the horrible incompetent doctors and nurses.
Mar 2, '07Occupation: ER Nurse Specialty: 7 year(s) of experience in Med/Surge, ER ; Joined: Jan '07; Posts: 136; Likes: 9My child gets the needed vaccines.
Mar 2, '07Joined: Jul '06; Posts: 1,394; Likes: 216There were no vaccines for what used to be known as UCHD usual childhood diseases. Measles, mumps, rubella, and chicken pox. Just about every kid got these, often all at once or in very close order in families, making Mom nuts having to care for all those sick kids at home at once, LOL.
No one I know suffered complications of these illnesses. That, of course, does not mean for a minute that other people didn't.
I personally think, having been a public health nurse and seeing how these poor little babies are just attacked by needle after needle, practically from the moment they're born, that vaccinating has gone way overboard. And this latest push to get the HPV vax into our young dtrs is outrageous, a thinly veiled attempt to make $$$ for the manufacturer.
I think the flu vaccines are experiments, I think vaccines do cause some terribly serious after-effects. I think kids are given too many too young. Plus, I have seen where kids whose moms don't have proof of their vaccination status are vaccinated over and over and over (like illegals who were probably vaccinated in their home land, only to come across the border and now have to get vaccinated again because the coyote didn't tell Mom to bring the vax records with her when she stole out of Mexico or points south). It costs the US a bundle to vax and revax these kids but that's another topic.
I think we have to be cautious with any medication. I think there are some evil people in this world who are doing everything they can think of to make money and they don't care who they hurt in the process. Also, they are trying to subjugate us and control us, taking away our Constitutional Rights and dumbing us down via our public schools, TV, genetically altering our food, polluting our air, water, soil, and interfering with our health care are excellent for that purpose. Why should vaccines be exempt from being a method of subjugation of the population?
Google Joyce Reilly, I think is her name.
Mar 2, '07Occupation: Peds ED Specialty: 3 year(s) of experience in pediatric ER ; Joined: Sep '05; Posts: 114; Likes: 20I was vaccinated as a child and will vaccinate my children. I do not believe vaccines cause Autism. But I will continue to not judge as parents tell me their children are not vaccinated. I simply state, it's just to help the doctor's try and figure out what is wrong with your baby.
I work in a pediatric ER and will vaccinate my children due to the horrendous illnesses I have seen from not vaccinating. This includes a raging case of meningitis in a little 6 month old boy. Mom said she was talking to a friend and decided not to immunize this child, even though she had vaccinated her other children, due to risk of autism... then her baby got incredibly ill ended up with petechiae and a very high fever and rushed to PICU. She said she would vaccinate from now on.
I've seen pertussis that went through the whole family... baby got sick and had to be admitted, the rest of the family made it through OK.
I have friends who were born in 3rd world countries and contracted polio and are now wheelchair-bound.
I would never EVER want my children to go through such horrendous diseases that are so easily prevented. (I guess my point of view is slightly skewed too as my dad's a pediatrician and would give us the vaccines at home often times.)
I do agree with waiting with the Chickenpox vaccine. I contracted chicken pox as a child as many of us did and did just fine. My youngest brother got the vaccine at 14 as his titers were negative (he had never been sick with it)
I have mixed feelings on the HPV vaccine. My husband and I were both virgins when we got married, so I see no need in getting it myself. But, if states are going to mandate vaccination, why not make the boys get it too? I mean even though you can't test for it in males, they do spread it just as females do! So why the heck not??? Just my
Mar 2, '07Specialty: NICU ; Joined: Nov '03; Posts: 3,768; Likes: 252Quote from cegif a piece of cheese causes a strong immune reaction from him then what will injecting monkey cells or mercury (still in vaccines btw for those who think it isn't) do to his system?
not according to the cdc...
it seems that the only vaccines that still contain mercury (thimerosal) are some flu vaccines (though you can get preservative-free if you look for it) and some tetanus-diphtheria boosters for kids over the age of seven.
now, fine, there is a chance that there is 0.0002% of mercury left in the vaccines given to our babies and toddlers. does the anti-vaccine community really believe that this possible 0.0002% is actually continuing to cause problems like allergies and autism? i think we need to start looking elsewhere in our community for the triggers for these things. a lot more things have changed since the rise in autism besides the increase in childhood vaccines. when i was a kid, we didn't have antibacterial soaps and household cleaners, microwaves, cordless or cellular phones, etc. we also grew up getting tons of fresh air (even in the winter) and eating a lot of fresh food instead of all the fast food and preservative-laden snacks that kids eat today.
i'm not going to risk my daughter's health because there is a chance of her being exposed to a possible 0.0002% of mercury in the vaccines she got last week at her 2-month check-up.
honestly, i'm risking her life and health more by simply strapping her into the carseat, driving on these crazy streets, and taking her to the pediatrician's office where tons of sick kids are sneezing on the magazines in the waiting room...Last edit by Gompers on Mar 3, '07
Mar 2, '07Joined: Oct '06; Posts: 42; Likes: 1I'm an MDC mama too! And a selective/delayed vaxer. Still just a student nurse but thought I'd throw my .02 in. I'm in agreement with some others here that the basic premise of vaxing is sound, but I'm worried about the fact that no one has bothered to study what the body's response is to getting so many vaxes at the same time, especially on babies so young. We just went for a 2mo check up for my youngest, and they wanted to give him pneumococcal, dtap, hep b (didn't have at birth), ipv, hib... Seems like a major onslaught to an immature immune system. So we delay, and get them selectively one at a time.
Mar 2, '07Joined: Jun '05; Posts: 85; Likes: 13Quote from GompersNot according to the CDC...
It seems that the only vaccines that still contain mercury (thimerosal) are some flu vaccines (though you can get preservative-free if you look for it) and some tetanus-diphtheria boosters for kids over the age of seven.
Now, fine, there is a chance that there is 0.0002% of mercury left in the vaccines given to our babies and toddlers. Does the anti-vaccine community really believe that this possible 0.0002% is actually continuing to cause problems like allergies and autism? I think we need to start looking elsewhere in our community for the triggers for these things. A lot more things have changed since the rise in autism besides the increase in childhood vaccines. When I was a kid, we didn't have antibacterial soaps and household cleaners, microwaves, cordless or cellular phones, etc. We also grew up getting TONS of fresh air (even in the winter) and eating a lot of fresh food instead of all the fast food and preservative-laden snacks that kids eat today.
I'm not going to risk my daughter's health because there is a chance of her being exposed to a possible 0.0002% of mercury in the vaccines she got last week at her 2-month check-up.
Honestly, I'm risking her life and health more by simply strapping her into the carseat, driving on these crazy streets, and taking her to the pedatrician's office where tons of sick kids are sneezing on the magazines in the waiting room...
:roll This last comment really made me laugh!
I have a 10 week old, and truthfully, that's exactly how I feel. I'm afraid to take him anywhere d/t the current horrific flu season here in Minnesota. So, basically I'm stuck in the house.
I agree about the mercury levels too (in fact, posted pretty much the same thing earlier in the thread).