Nurse Gives Lethal Dose of Vecuronium Instead of Versed - page 3
PET scans are typically performed in the outpatient setting and not inpatient. They are not emergent. This was a full body inpatient PET scan which might be said is inappropriate resource... Read More
Dec 2Joined: Feb '14; Posts: 1,400; Likes: 4,499Quote from Nurse BethWe have MIMS in all our drug rooms, and if we dont have one of those, we have a "injectable meds" bookThe nurse made an EGREGIOUS error that cost a patient her life.
The nurse if she didnt know what the medication should have looked it up. If she didnt have a drug reference book, or any other written documentation she could have rung pharmacy
But if the only solution is to remove the nurse from the equation then we've lost an opportunity to improve. There's lessons to be learned.
What if Vanderbilt had protocols in place around administering conscious sedation? Such as training to include patient monitoring.
Any hospital worth its weight should have protocols for administering conscious sedation.
Heck, I worked in an outpatient fertility clinic, administering conscious sedation for women undergoing eg harvesting that had protocols around administering conscious sedation including full set of obs on induction, and monitoring regularly throughout the procedure.
What if the ICU nurse who delegated this task to the "help all nurse" followed the proper rights of delegation? (right task to right person)
Whats sadder is that most likely the whole thing could have been preventable
Dec 2Joined: Jul '08; Posts: 517; Likes: 675This case just makes me glad for scanning. I've accidentally pulled the wrong medication more than once (pulling from the "count" number versus the "drawer" number), and only caught it by scanning the medications. I've even almost given a patient a wrong medication because pharmacy loaded the similar named tablets into the drawer - had the patient not said "those aren't the pills I normally take", I would have ticked the override for them. When I was orienting, a doctor ordered a fluid, and my preceptor told me to start the fluid, but the doctor put an order in for another (LR vs NS) - not a huge mistake, but I really didn't like being pushed into starting a medication without scanning it (no, it wasn't emergent).
I know very little about versed and way less about verconium (I'm a med-surg nurse that has nothing to do with sedation), but in my mind, I'd think of versed as being a strong ativan (really, I don't know).
I can't remember if I've given medications without scanning them in procedure areas (dialysis or MRI), but it is possible. I know during codes, I don't always scan them, and at the end of the code pass them off to the "responsible" nurse. That seems to be what happened here. The nurse pulled the VE drug, read the dilution, administered the mg, gave the remaining medication to the primary nurse who saw the mistake 15 minutes later.
It was some dumb mistakes that I'm sure everyone has done at least some portion of once or twice. Luckily, most of those thoughtless actions don't end up with a deceased patient. As for the monitoring a patient after dosing, I don't administer those meds, so I'm not familiar with the expectation (I know that nurse was ICU trained, but perhaps she figured the patient was being monitored by everyone in PET).
Dec 2Joined: Feb '12; Posts: 479; Likes: 963Quote from Nurse BethProcedural areas almost never scan meds for two main reasons: 1:1 nursing care at all times, and no possibility that you have the wrong patient after you confirm their identity upon arrival and time out, and their ID band is usually covered by some kind of sterile field.I wonder if there was bar code scanning capability in the PET scan room
Dec 2Joined: Oct '08; Posts: 2,402; Likes: 11,827Quote from CalicoKittyCalicoKitty, these ^ examples are kinda scary in a way that would tell me I need to tighten up my practices. Let this be a reminder to remove/obtain medications conscientiously as if there were no scanning. That's the one surefire thing that would've prevented the error that is the subject of this discussion.This case just makes me glad for scanning. I've accidentally pulled the wrong medication more than once (pulling from the "count" number versus the "drawer" number), and only caught it by scanning the medications. I've even almost given a patient a wrong medication because pharmacy loaded the similar named tablets into the drawer - had the patient not said "those aren't the pills I normally take", I would have ticked the override for them. When I was orienting, a doctor ordered a fluid, and my preceptor told me to start the fluid, but the doctor put an order in for another (LR vs NS) - not a huge mistake, but I really didn't like being pushed into starting a medication without scanning it (no, it wasn't emergent).
Scanning should never be considered anything more than a double-check. There's no good excuse for making it to a patient's bedside with a med that is not the ordered med. Scanning is a process that should be merely confirming correct information that you already know.
I understand what you mean when you say the case makes you glad for scanning, but I would suggest instead that we all should have the sh*t scared out of us the day that scanning actually prevents anything. Immediate personal corrective measures are indicated.
Dec 2Joined: Sep '16; Posts: 546; Likes: 1,653What a frightening way to die.
I've been in plenty of unsafe work situations where the pressure to "just do it" was a very real expectation, along with insanely unrealistic workloads. In that setting things can quickly spin out of control where suddenly you realize to your horror things have now gone sideways. Every nursing job I've ever resigned from was because of very real danger to patients and myself. It is much more common than than I'd ever thought possible.
Dec 2Joined: Dec '12; Posts: 848; Likes: 2,800I have some knowledge of this hospital because I have been there numerous times to investigate sentinel events very much like this. There are mistakes made at this very large hospital complex and I have substantiated several of them.
Please read the 2567 to obtain more details so you will know.
Dec 2Occupation: RN Specialty: 13 year(s) of experience in SICU, trauma, neuro ; From: US ; Joined: Nov '13; Posts: 4,911; Likes: 18,396I'm sure the nurse is beyond-words devastated over this....
But it's nursing school 100... one of the VERY first things a nursing student learns is the 5-7 rights of med administration!!
What the actual what?? Yes I understand things don't happen in a vacuum, but I'm sorry ... the RN -- the last line of defense -- didn't check the **** vial. S/he was negligent.
We are never SO busy that the <30 seconds it takes to check our **** meds will hurt anyone
Conversely, her/his negligence cost a person's LIFE. The pt who depended on professionals' safe practices.... and who must have suffered indescribable agony and terror for several minutes before the end.
Dec 2Occupation: RN Specialty: 13 year(s) of experience in SICU, trauma, neuro ; From: US ; Joined: Nov '13; Posts: 4,911; Likes: 18,396CalicoKitty
If we are so much as transferring a stable pt to a tele-monitored floor, the RN must accompany the pt.
Dec 2Occupation: RN Specialty: 13 year(s) of experience in SICU, trauma, neuro ; From: US ; Joined: Nov '13; Posts: 4,911; Likes: 18,396Quote from adventure_rnThat makes sense for emergent situations, and we do it in the adult world e.g. for emergent RSIs or internally decapitated pt trying to move... but this wasn't even almost an emergency.To play the devil's advocate, in my PICU setting we override and give paralytics all of the time; we'd be in a real bind if paralytics came from pharmacy only, as our peds cardiac patients have a tendency to flip out, bear down, have pulmonary hypertensive crises, and actively try to die within about a 2-minute span. I'd say that on a weekly basis, we have to give paralytics (plus sedation) at a moment's notice to combat pulmonary hypertension and prevent codes; granted, many of our patient's requiring paralytics have a standing PRN paralytic ordered, and they're obviously all intubated...
Quote from WuzzieBest quote in my recent memory!This wasn't an isolated med error. Most of us have made one of those. This was a major practice error made by a nurse who clearly didn't have the sense God gave a cardboard box
I was going to say too, I'm typically not one to string up a nurse over a med error. We've all made errors. But accidentally giving an extra Colace is a faaaaar cry from pushing Vec.
Dec 2Joined: Mar '12; Posts: 941; Likes: 1,737Maybe it's just me but I see something far more simple.
The nurse pulled a drug that was clearly not the one she was searching for. This wasn't even a case of a similar sounding drug. This was a nurse that tried to find versed, couldn't, and then thought close enough was good enough.
This is an error most new grad nurses wouldn't make.
Dec 2Occupation: Hospice Nurse Specialty: 5+ year(s) of experience in Hospice, home health, LTC ; From: US ; Joined: Nov '05; Posts: 55; Likes: 97Best advice I was ever given came in nursing school - always ask yourself, "Does this make sense?" before doing anything to the patient. This made no sense on many levels and the nurse should have stopped in her tracks before administering that drug.
Dec 2Joined: Nov '16; Posts: 24; Likes: 16Quote from twinsmom788It is good to know more about the facility. It does seem there was issues from protocol and job description down to the nurse's incompetence here that all played a role in this. It seems like a "perfect storm" so to speak"Either things in Vanderbilt are run by a group of recent Acute Psych unit escapees, or I do not know."
"Or I do not know" That is correct. You don't know. Trust me, Vandy is run by a expert and knowledgeable group of physicians and nurses. My daughters have both worked there in the summer between their third and fourth year of med school.
I have some knowledge of this hospital because I have been there numerous times to investigate sentinel events very much like this. There are mistakes made at this very large hospital complex and I have substantiated several of them.
Please read the 2567 to obtain more details so you will know.