My best friend in nursing school was ordered to terminally sedate a stroke patient. - page 6
He was comatose and given little chance of recovery (but was breathing on his own). His family wanted nothing to do with the guy because they said he was a child molestor. A medical review board at... Read More
Apr 14, '04Occupation: e.r. Level 2 trauma center Joined: Apr '04; Posts: 5Quote from Love767That is murder in most eyes. When a doctor gives me an order I don't feel is correct or ethical, I offer to draw up the medication, but if they want it given then they must give it themselves and it is charted as such. Because when push comes to shove, the doctors cover eachother and try to put it to the nurses, (and without any surgilube either).He was comatose and given little chance of recovery (but was breathing on his own). His family wanted nothing to do with the guy because they said he was a child molestor. A medical review board at the hospital made the decision. Here's what bothers me. My friend was ordered to give 2mg/hr IV. (as needed), but told that he would need the medication every hour. Our instructor said that this will kill most patients within a couple of days, and that respirtory depression wasn't "such a bad way to go". She said that this is done in hospitals everywhere only it's just not called what it is. I'm not sure how I feel about euthanasia (there are good arguments on both sides), but the point is that I thought that it was currently illegal in the United States. Is this true or is my instructor just wrong about this dose killing most people within a few days? If it is true is this really common or what? Seems like an attempt to implement a policy (euthanasia) without a public debate on the issue.
Apr 14, '04Occupation: RN Joined: Jan '04; Posts: 227. Our instructor said that this will kill most patients within a couple of days, and that respirtory depression wasn't "such a bad way to go". She said that this is done in hospitals everywhere only it's just not called what it is.
I have opinions, which, like A@#&^%$#, everyone has, regarding nursing instructors. I made that clear in another post regarding nursing instructors, and this post just validates my beliefs. You should make a good nurse one day, in that you are learning to question early in the game. You may not be the most popular, but you won't be a blind hand maiden either. When in doubt, ask...never, ever, follow orders blindly.
Apr 14, '04Occupation: Nursing Student Joined: Apr '04; Posts: 35No need for an apology BabyRN2Be. I was simply pointing out that even if the scenario had been "imagined or borrowed from a book" that it wouldn't diminish the validity of the topic. It's like all of those "learning scenarios" that we have to do in class. I'm sure that many if not most of them are not actual scenarios (although some probably are, and all happen someplace on almost a daily basis), they are still useful for learning. I just wish they gave us a few points for the reports we have to do in order to answer them!
Apr 15, '04Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 5,673; Likes: 159We all have our own consciences to answer to at the end of every day, as a wise poster alluded to several pages back. ITA with posters who point out that doctors and administrators are way too often more than happy to let the nurse carry the ball (and the liability). We must not be naive. I love attending nurse legal seminars and hear of how nurses lose their licenses; blindly accepting doctors and hospital's directives is one way.
My BNE has a Safe Harbor stipulation, where a nurse can say 'whoa' in a questionable situation and protect their license while an investigation is done. Yes this can cause a problem for the nurse too, (troublemaker) but it definitely opens up lines of communication.
Apr 15, '04Occupation: SAHM, for now. From: WI, US ; Joined: Feb '04; Posts: 2,574; Likes: 322Quote from firstname.lastname@example.orgBabinurse,This thread bares alot of discussion, there are pros and cons to the subject as is the case in all ethical situations. I'm sure there was discussion at the hospital where this occurred. The student might not have been privy to all of it. But, along with ethical discussions comes professionalism. Please be careful about calling someone a moron.
If you are referring to my post, I didn't call love767 a moron, not in the least bit. I was stating my opinion that I thought it might be a bogus situation. It was a concern of mind, and others said that the post had sounded "fishy." There was no disrespect intended, as I said I was voicing my concerns that this might have been left by a troll (which is now not the case) who wanted to stir something up and watch the ensuing chaos. It happens on here.
I wanted to state my opinion, NOT refer to someone as a moron.
If you weren't referring to me, I apologize.