Mandated time over you status! What can I Do? - page 3

I work in CCU in a small community hospital and like everyone else we are short handed. Rumor has it that management is either going to schedule us over our status or mandate 12 hr shifts. I hired in... Read More

  1. by   Terrie
    Spudflake---- Very interesting
    We have a unit meeting on Nov 7 , which is during my vacation but I will go because this is where we tell them if they mandated OT or do 12 hr shifts several of us will walk. We have a new supervisor who knows nothing about our unit (CCU). She came from home health care and has no experience in critical care. Her job description say she is 24 hr coverage and she says she will not do it!
    Our unit has done very good on covering holes in our schedule and we are only short a p-3 on nights (Three nights every two weeks) and a p-4 on days (Four days every two weeks) which is what our supervisor is supposed to work but we are orienting our supervisor therefore she is not really much help and can't work by herself. She got yelled at for not having 4 hrs covered and the house supervisor had to find coverage. This was apparently more than she could handle and that is the reason behind mandated OT and 12hr shifts. BECAUSE SHE DOES NOT WANT TO WORK!
  2. by   CareerRN

    <Originally posted by rdhdnrs
    the price we pay for our calling. >

    I do not think I misunderstood this statement or the intention behind it in your first post.

    You were quite clear in basically saying that nurses should not complain too much and should accept personal sacrifices because of a calling. So when should we say enough is enough?

    In your response, we should never complain because everything is the price we pay for a calling. This includes the working conditions, the lack of respect, and the low pay when compared to our responsibilities. I did not take any kind of religious pledge when I join this profession. I want the same respect and treatment provided to any other human being. I am not a hand maiden, a hostess, a housekeeper, or someone servant. I am a registered nurse, but I am forced at times to do all the latter roles and many more. People who share your views and attitudes expect nurses to sacrifice every time we turn around to live up to this calling thing. Oh no break or lunch today well that is O.K. because you are nurses and you were called to the profession. Self sacrifice and suffering are expected of you. You would not be a good nurse without suffering, right?

    Again this is the same shame tactic which has been used for years against nurses and women in general. This tactic has been used for years to get women to do things by making them feel ashamed or guilty when they said no. It has been very effective and you seem to know how to use it pretty good yourself.
    Last edit by CareerRN on Oct 24, '01
  3. by   Sundowner
    Spudflake has the right idea, I hope you all don't think that I feel that just because I have children, that holidays mean nothing to those that don't, I know we all have families.

    All I am saying is I appreciate the employer who respects my young children and allows me to spend Christmas morning with them. I have always been more than happy to make up for that small kindness.

    I have always said (though I don't any longer because I work agency) I will work any shift of any holiday,,, just don't ask me to work Christmas morning. They held me to it usually too! I didn't mind. The younger single girls really enjoy having New Years Day off.....they would get it thanks to me, I hardly ever work daylight but did often on that day for others who wish to celebrate. My kindness to them for theirs to me. They I don't think realize how much it meant to me to have that time with my kids. Like I said earlier, I quit one job to have it.

    We as nurses need not bow down to management, no where in the hypocratic oath did it say "I shall forsake all others, before my employer", or "I shall work till I am no longer able to stand up, let alone provide decent care".
    I think it was in New York, or was it Pennsylvania, where a nurse was asked to do another eight hours after already completeing 12,,, He said no,,,he couldn't possibly,, they mandated him anyway, and he had a fatal car accident on the way home the following morning. Management was happy,, their shift was covered.

    Agency isn't the answer either, I know (and I hate to say it being that I am agency) what happens to facilities that have too many agency nurses working. The facility goes to hell. It is the truth as I have seen it. Agency, thought to be a bridge in many cases ends up being a thorn in the side. Lets face it we have all met more agency nurses that don't give a crap than do. They come in, do minimal amount of work required, and bolt. State comes in and the place is a wreck,, the biggest problem is the lack of permanent staff. Agency nurses don't care if your facility passes state inspection, they only care that their butts are covered. I have seen it too many times. Of course, then management has a cow and cracks down HARD on the regular staff. It's a no win. I have seen this happen in two different facilities this year alone.

    The answer is to PAY US and treat us with respect. It is the only answer.
  4. by   ICUBecky
    hey sundowner!!

  5. by   Sundowner
    well,,,,......................OKAY! lol

    I really think we are all on the same is always hard t o see the other side of the coin, thats why I enjoy these forums......lotta views, and I can share mine....sometimes it is heated but we all end up thinking and learning and gaining respect for the side of the coin we dont see! Its a good thing.
  6. by   spudflake
    Sundowner - I was very happy to see your post regarding agency nurses. How very true. I didn't feel I had a right to express that same opinion as 1. I am not agency and 2. I am management. I believe hospitals take a gamble with the high cost of agency nurses. You just never know what kind of nurse you'll end up with. Don't get me wrong..I have worked with some excellent agency people but then again...more often I've worked with the slackers

    Holidays are always stressful and having the extra burden of working on poorly staffed floors doesn't help the stress level.

    If the floor can work as a team there are always solutions. Management may not like the solutions but as long as there's coverage and no OT why should they really care. Be creative and everyone wins
  7. by   Sundowner
    Never be afraid to voice your opinion! In this particular case it happens to be fact! We all know it, maybe it's about time we let other agencey nurses (they know who they are) know it too!

    I have watched agency nurses from both sides of the fence. I have come to the conclusion that there are several types of nurses that work for agency. The first type, the type everyone hopes to see hit the floor, is proud and concientious, and cares for her patients in every aspect, which would mean, she does her job to the fullest and respects the facility she is assigned to work. She is a team player no matter what team she is on, and when she finds a problem she fixes it, she reorders supplies and meds as needed instead of leaving it up to the regular, she asks what needs done outside of her specific role.

    type two: Self servant, doesn't care, pops her pills does her treatments (maybe) and is gone to collect her paycheck. She never feeds anyone, changes anyone or offers one ounce more of herself than she feels need be. Patients get their meds, thats all. She will quickly throw a problem at the Charge Nurse and forget about it. If she is the Charge nurse,,,uh-oh, the oncomming shift will have a mess on their hands. This nurse does her job with blinders on.

    type three, the scary type, you are never quite sure what this one is upto,,,,you often wonder if she even attended nursing school. Three hour med pass, treatments,,, yeah right,, only if she is in the mood to collect some OT. This is the nurse that couldn't hang on a regular staff, she has had many previous employers and has been not allowed back to a few facilities.
    We all know her.

    The sad thing is, what should be a great benifit, often ends up a huge mess. There is only so long regular staff can keep picking up the pieces before they have had enough. However, on the other side of the coin, we need to look at what made this big mess. Why are there more agency nurses than not? I watched my facility go down hill so fast over this shortage, agency came in,,, soon nintey percent of the regular staff (including myself) had gone to work for agency. Why? money, and more importantly, respect, the lack of respect from management is so severe.

    I enjoy agency nursing for many reasons, yes I love the money, but more importantly, I can go to work and be a nurse and not a slave, I am not treated like a dog, I don't feel the heat from management. I sleep at night! I strive to do my best wherever I go, I respect management wherever I go, but I don't have to bow down, I just get to do my job, the best it can be done, to benifit the patients which also includes caring for their facility, their home.

    HEE HEE,, if you really want to hear me rant,,,ask me how I feel about Agency nurses that need oriented, or need to have their hand held all through their shift.
    Last edit by Sundowner on Oct 25, '01
  8. by   spudflake
    Sundowner: LOL Great discriptions. I do however wish that nurses would differenciate between management and administration. The problems we face today are not due to management but due to administration and that magical bottom line. The smaller hospitals are doing better because there are less layers to the top. How many nurses know their CEO?? Their Director of Operations, CFO, Risk manager etc. I worked in a large hospital and had three meetings with these people just before the union came in. As I already had a new job lined up I was very bold in these meetings. I told it to them staight. At the end of the last meeting I told them that the union would be voted in because dispite these meetings - they did listen but they did not hear what we were saying. Six weeks later came the vote and the union was in and I was gone. Where I work now is a little piece of heaven. I know the administrative team on a first name basis. That's the way they want it - we're all part of the team. They are pretty progressive and proactive. My ED never uses agency - I am overflowing in staff and have a list of nurses who want to work at my ED. The main hospital does use agency because it is located in a tourist area and there aren't enough nurses in the area for the winter ski season. Three of my staff pick up OT going up there. My staff are happier here then at their preious places of emploment. My per diems beg for F/T positions. I have a small staff - 16 nurses. Eight have been here 5 years...the building has only been open 6 years and 3 nurses have been here since that opening. Some work per diem at other area hospitals and complain bitterly about how they are treated, lack of staffing, pay etc. I have noticed that they are doing less and less per diem at other places.
    Managers need to be advocates for their staff. Hard work and loyality need to be rewarded.
  9. by   Sundowner
    Sounds like you have a great place to be Spudflake! I feel like moving west!
    I apologize for so carelessly using the word management inplace of administration. I do see where they are two differenty entities, but so often they climb in the same bed. I have been unfortunate enough to see management care about nothing more than pleasing administration all too often.
    THe bottom line is an ugly thing when there are peoples lives involved. I also understand managements way or the highway is what they hear, what a tough spot to be in. I have at times been certain that there are spots in hell with certain administrators names on them.
    The facility I worked at last, before becoming agency, held a meeting hosted by the administrator. Basically to tell us we should like or lump our situation which was beyond poor. We were working one nurse and one aide for fifty patients on a regular basis on our shift, daylight was lucky enough to have two cna's nightturn was beyond pitiful, one nurse two aides and 100 beds.
    A very brave CNA asked the administrator if she would let her own mother spend 24 hours in this place. HEE HEE. For the first time in the three years I worked there, the woman was speechless, and very po'd. I quit shortly after. Couldn't take anymore.
  10. by   JennieBSN
    Last edit by JennieBSN on Dec 8, '01
  11. by   ICUBecky
    better watch what you say. You're going to get a note from CareerRN for that one...
  12. by   JennieBSN
    Last edit by JennieBSN on Dec 8, '01
  13. by   Sundowner
    So hypothetically speaking, If I were to ***** about being mandated 4hours of OT and had to miss my sons first band concert.......or football game...or whatever.....That would make me STUPID?

    The Doc on call for the weekend must be stupid to complain when some dope head nurse calls him in the middle of the night for something stupid that could have waited till morning? He has no right to *****......

    So we as nurses should throw our outside lives behind us for the sake of our employer, we should not complain about it because we were smart enough to know going in that we would be the property of the boss the second we step in the door, untill THEY say we can leave?

    You must think I am stupid to believe that for one minute you have never *****ed or complained about your schedule, OT, a holiday you wanted off. (you realize according to yourself, that makes you stupid)

    We all know it is a part of the job, we would be STUPID if we didn't *****.

    Kay, now what I really want to know,, is which stupid are ya?
    Do you *****,, or don't you.....If ya say ya don't....I ain't buying (that also makes you stupid)....If ya admit ya do....well ya just called yourself stupid.

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