Magnet, polarization, ageism, classism - page 4
The more I think about being an out of work RN because I lack experience and graduated from an Associate/Diploma school makes me wonder about the whole magnet status idea. After doing much reading, I... Read More
Mar 5, '11Quote from linearthinkerLOL !! That was good.It may be my lack of intellectual prowess , but I cannot answer this b/c I have no idea what you are asking. I am master's prepared. Are you asking me if I think doctorally prepared nurses have more in their arsenal, make better educators (poor comparison- I am a NP, not a nurse educator) and have greater intellect? My answer, without hesitation or reservation, is yes. Absolutely. Hence the reason I am pursuing a doctorate myself. If that wasn't the question, I have no idea what is. Sorry.
Mar 5, '11Oldtimer, I went to school in the late 80s, and they were humorless, let me tell you! I went to law school first, and there is no comparison. We had hella fun in law school. I feel a little hungover just thinking about it. Nsg school was anything but fun! We started with 90 students, and 33 of us finished. My instructors were old school and actively weeded out anyone they didn't like. I think more schools could benefit from that approach frankly, but maybe not quite so draconian, lol.
Mar 5, '11I also have to say that I respectfully disagree with a few points of edga. I am a second degree RN and proud to say BSN. I was an older student (>25) and I have a larger, young family so I researched carefully my options. Many people said to me to just go to the local CC (which has a decent reputation) and I did many of my prerequisites there, but after I sat through their informational seminar and the one of the BSN/accelerated track -- hands down I wanted to get my degree from them. Yes it cost more, but I look at it as an investment in my future. I also am planning on getting my Master's degree - I don't want to be a NP, but once I decide where I will specialize, I will get my degree in that field. Maybe I will teach one day -- I feel it is important to give back and I believe that those who have a good deal of clinical experience as well as classroom theory make good nursing instructors (just my opinion from the instructors I thought were great).
As for ADN vs BSN - there are inherent differences in the curriculum. Is it fluff, does it make you better at the bedside? No and No. I think that the biggest difference between the to types of degrees is noticed most when they are new grads. In talking with an instructor (went to nursing school with the dorms and curfews that were described - now has her MSN), she has worked with all types of degrees/diplomas and she said that the education of a BSN is apparent as a new grad -- she said their critical thinking skills are unmatched (as a whole, yes there are great ADNs and subpar BSNs -- I graduated with a few!) initially. Initially being the key word because over time and with experience the good nurses (no matter their degree) will develop the critical thinking skills and become very skilled in their area.
Other posters raised other valid points on education being valued/required in many fields. For example (depending on the state) law enforcement wants at least an associates degree and I know of a handful of officers in the Northeast that just got their JD in law -- a doctorate -- and they don't want to be lawyers, it is to be better at different aspects of their job.
As a nurse we have an awful lot of responsibility; it is not just about how good you are at bedside care. We have to be ever vigilant about all of the aspects of our patient's care and triple check that nothing will do them harm given their condition, their history, etc -- is that rate correct, is that dose too much, should I hold this med, is that bruise suspicious, do they have any barriers to discharge...? The list goes on.
Also as others have posted, this economy is horrible. There is no nursing shortage -- or the only shortage is in experienced nurses, which raises that age-old conundrum of "how do you get the experience if no one will give you the experience?" The schools are pumping out more grads than there are openings for -- it is a real problem. A very smart woman that I know who is a retired RN and is respected in her field and sits on several boards at a few hospitals said to me to take anything to start out with, just to start to get the experience -- ltc, snf, anything -- put your name on the school nurse sub list and at least you can show that you have been doing something -- something better than "do you want fries with that...?" Good luck to you in your job search. I know it's frustrating, but don't give up.
Mar 5, '11Quote from linearthinkerI was waiting on tenterhooks for your response to that. You did not disappoint.It may be my lack of intellectual prowess , but I cannot answer this b/c I have no idea what you are asking. I am master's prepared. Are you asking me if I think doctorally prepared nurses have more in their arsenal, make better educators (poor comparison- I am a NP, not a nurse educator) and have greater intellect? My answer, without hesitation or reservation, is yes. Absolutely. Hence the reason I am pursuing a doctorate myself. If that wasn't the question, I have no idea what is. Sorry.
Mar 5, '11Quote from LegzRNIn the spirit of linearthinker's "intellectual prowess" remark, I'm going to give my brain cells a workout and say that this isn't surprising, with all the accelerated programs and online programs out there now,( for an associate's degree RN or LPN to continue), because they're already educated enough to pass the NCLEX-RN or NCLEX-PN. I think you'd have to compare programs overall with everyone starting from scratch. I'm always interested in anecdotes about the local scene across the country, but it doesn't say anything much about somebody else's very different circumstances. I need a nap now. I need to tie my shoes later. I lost my velcro ones.My ADN cost 3x more than my bsn