Is There An AllDoctors.com? - page 4
I was discussing with a friend that is a physician about the wonderful world of allnurses; the resources, camradarie and support we give each other here. He asked if there was such a site for... Read More
Oct 22, '07Occupation: Freelancing Specialty: 15 year(s) of experience in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele ; Joined: Jun '07; Posts: 5,292; Likes: 7,635Definately Allnurses wouldn't put up with an "I just owned a Doctor" thread. I checked out that particular thread (I just owned a nurse), the OP of it is a disrespectful trash talker. I'm glad this site doesn't allow trash talking.
Oct 22, '07Occupation: nurse extern Specialty: future FNP ; Joined: Oct '07; Posts: 66; Likes: 18SDN and one of its spinoffs, oldpremeds, are 2 of the reasons I decided to can med school and go the NP route instead. Even at the university I'm attending, not prestigious by any means, the premeds just seemed like total jerks. And conversely, most of the nurses I came in contact with were so helpful and eager to share information and tell me how much they loved their profession. I'm sure there are nurses that hate their job, but I have already met 2 MD's who say they wish they hadn't become one, and not a single nurse.
Oct 22, '07Occupation: Haemetology nurse Specialty: Oncology/Haemetology/HIV ; From: US ; Joined: May '02; Posts: 7,040; Likes: 7,483Quote from elizabellsOr the inevitable Dr. A decided to dress down a nurse for not calling something, and everyone is all ultra careful to from there on out, call anything remotely abnormal to be on the safe side.I always explain to the residents who are nice: If a nurse who you always thought was smart suddenly starts acting dim and calling you about every little thing: you have done something to p*** that nurse off.
In one facility that I was out, due to extremely poor staffing, there was a rule. Routine labs ordered drawn between 2300 - 0700 had to be drawn by the intern, as are all stat draws.
There were several reasons beyond the staffing issue. This was a rather tough inner city hospital, where one so muggings and drug use out the windows, in the street. Our patients mirrored the neighborhood demographics. About the time the nurse went to draw labs for the fourth or fifth time in a day to add a "last minute" lab....that easily wait for AM phlebotomy (no phlebotomy team from 1200 to AM lab draws at 0600), the were likely to be verbally abused by the patient, or be threatened. Not to mention that the patients had few to no veins. And quite bluntly, as far as stats, the intern should be there with the pt if something is that urgent.
This policy had been agreed upon by the PTB and was posted in EVERY call room, and dictation room in the place. But just try getting the interns to do the job assigned to them. You either could not reach them or they were so whiny, that most of us did our own.
So the day comes that all heck is breaking loose on the floor, I am seriously in crisis mode and ER sends me a gent positive for several bloodbourne diseases, positive urine drug screen, and clearly faking seizures. Intern orders a triple rainbow of tests (every tube known in the free world) on him as STAT - most were batched tests and would not be run until the next day or were send outs and some required informed consent, which also was not done. All were things that had no need to be drawn until AM, but I can't change the order status.
I called, the intern got snotty and whiny and chewed me over since I wasn't going to draw them. He made a hissy fit. Next day, he tries to "report" me whereupon the UD cites the policy and that the patient needed a consent anyway. She then sends out a memo....we are to ALL go by the letter of the rule, and make the interns draw ALL the labs, that they were supposed to have been responsible for. The staff also (not mandated by memo) if questioned, would cite the appropriate MD as to why we were following the policy. This spread to several other units.
Some interesting results of this " informal research project". The number of stat blood draws dropped immensely - to perhaps a quarter of the previous numbers. And interestingly, the PTB in the medical school "suddenly" found the funds to have around the clock phlebotomists, freeing nursing and the MDs from draws.
Please note that there was no union involved in this action. And not all nurses obeyed the memo. But enough of them did.
(I also had the manager/staff wanting me to come on staff...but that happens most places)
Oct 22, '07Specialty: 14 year(s) of experience ; From: US ; Joined: Dec '06; Posts: 4,121; Likes: 8,856I scanned the student doctor threads and was suprised by the high levels of hostility. We vent here, but the MD threads sounded really harsh and angry compared to us.
Oct 22, '07Occupation: Freelancing Specialty: 15 year(s) of experience in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele ; Joined: Jun '07; Posts: 5,292; Likes: 7,635I'm enjoying the site. It sounds like doctors eat their young at least as bad, or worse, than nursing.
Oct 22, '07Joined: Apr '00; Posts: 24,611; Likes: 35,453Quote from RNperdiemi peeked, too.I scanned the student doctor threads and was suprised by the high levels of hostility. We vent here, but the MD threads sounded really harsh and angry compared to us.
and geez, they really do hate us. (scratching my head)
Oct 22, '07Occupation: Haemetology nurse Specialty: Oncology/Haemetology/HIV ; From: US ; Joined: May '02; Posts: 7,040; Likes: 7,483It gives you something to remember when people accuse nurses of being mean.
It is also illuminating as to how young MDs think, definitely an eye opener. They eventially trash talk each others specialties, if they can't trash talk nurses or social workers or physical therapists, etc.
I like how they berate "nurse supporters", even though no poster has supported the actions of the nurse in question, because what was done was inappropriate. It's like if you have MD on your name there, you can do no wrong, and the nurse is always vindictive and overbearing. And they tend to view everything as being an offense against them when someone tries to answer some of their charges.
When a patient goes bad, they verbalize that they are worried about losing their home and a name in a data bank. When the same patient goes bad, I see a human being that is suffering and that we as nurses will have to help them endure this, the family will have to cope with this and nursing will help them through this 24 - 7. We will have to do this, meantime, sidestepping medical questions that the "doctor" must address, and will avoid by spending ten minutes on the floor and having his office manager screen phone calls.
And at that point of care, I do think that nursing is often more important than medicine. There will always be people suffering that cannot be cured, and nursing will go on before medicine steps in and after medicine is no longer relevant in the patients life.
It is sad that they do not see the forest for the trees.
It is interesting to view but please no flame wars.....I like to think that maturity should rule in health care...someone has to show it.Last edit by caroladybelle on Oct 22, '07
Oct 22, '07Occupation: Freelancing Specialty: 15 year(s) of experience in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele ; Joined: Jun '07; Posts: 5,292; Likes: 7,635They sound the same as us...
They worry about their weight, they get eaten alive by mean doctors and mean nurses, they worry about getting accepted to school...
Oct 22, '07Occupation: nurse extern Specialty: future FNP ; Joined: Oct '07; Posts: 66; Likes: 18Quote from jlsRNOh, my god! What a train wreck! Why can't I stop reading?! :trout:
I am soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo happy that I'm going to nursing school and not med school. :spin:
Oct 22, '07Occupation: PMHNP From: US ; Joined: Dec '03; Posts: 2,918; Likes: 1,548Quote from jlsRNYou know this thread will be over there soon, but yes, it really is amazing how the young ones think and how they are lacking in any knowledge not directly related to their studies.
Oct 22, '07Joined: Apr '00; Posts: 24,611; Likes: 35,453Quote from zenmani sat there with my jaw hung open.You know this thread will be over there soon, but yes, it really is amazing how the young ones think and how they are lacking in any knowledge not directly related to their studies.
i'm sorry, but some of those posters are just classless.
obviously they lack in self-respect, if unable to respect others.