help with a cheater please!!!!

  1. so i just took my final in a 9 week cna/pct class a class mate always got 30-60 on all test and quizes they let her take extraa credit home and doit out of the bokk anyways we took the final we checked eachothers FINAL she got 55 wrong failed it 50% of grade so she wrote me face book and told me after we left she got to study the answer key and retake the FINAL she got 8 wrong so we graduated today and she got an overall grade of 83 it says all quizes average 81 tests 89 final 96 she always got horrible grades but they let her cheat i am so irrate about this it is not fair i want to tell the state on this school i am really good friends with a teacher and she told me that they will not fail anyone so they wont loook bad how can i get a hold of state its not fair that people not understanding this are going to be phlebotomists cna pct ecg/ekg techs i would not want this person to help me out. so my question how do i tell the state and get them in trouble.. also just found out our teacher just graduated lpn school in april 2009 and never toook state test so she is a pn not a lpn and does not know anything everytime we asked something she would say i dont know and the school got in trouble last yr for not haveing liscensed nurses teaching i guess its illeageal please help i am mad
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  3. by   MedSurgeMess
    I would just contact your state BON, and let them know. If there was trouble previously, then they will know where to look. This whole situation is very unfortunate, it gives nursing school a really bad name, and it causes bad feelings for those who honestly worked to get good grades
  4. by   NurseKitten
    Depends on which state you're in, and if the same board governing nursing also governs CNA's. Without knowing which state you're in exactly (you're free to private message me, by the way, and I'll help you find it) I would say that you should start with calling your state board of nursing and if they are not the ones to help you, they can certainly direct you to whomever it is that you should be speaking.

    Be prepared, though...I'm not suggesting in the least that you keep your mouth shut, and God bless you for being willing to speak up, but just know that people are probably going to be very upset and angry with you, and all kinds of things may get said and done that won't be easy.

    Good for you....stand up, and make a difference for our patients.
  5. by   hollyandsky
    i am in mi. and the thing is my teacher and the i guess owner almost kicked me out twice when i said stuff wasnt far and they threatened me with bible versus that i should hold my tounge that it will get me in trouble i think cause they got scared i dont know but i am a single mom of a18 month old and a 5 month old and still got 100 -90 on everything but she gave me a 82% overall cause my perfessionlism so mad and she got a 83% overall for cheating i seen every test she too checked some of them ll 30-60% a 40% on final and she got a better overall grade i am soooooo mad
  6. by   greeniebean
    You have the right to be mad. Cheaters should never be rewarded. I would contact the state BON-imagine if she hurts someone! Good Luck!
  7. by   NurseKitten
    Bureau of Health Professionals
    bhpinfo@michigan.gov is their e-mail.
    The Division of Licensing and Certification is 517-241-4160.
    They may not be the exact people you need to talk to, but they will almost certainly know how to get you there.

    Good luck. Let us know what happens.
  8. by   hollyandsky
    thanks nurse kitten i take my nationals next friday for pct and i guess it takes 2-3 weeks to get certificatre u think i should wait till after i get the certifacte then do something or just call tomorrow and go for it will it be annoymous like i said i was almost kicked out twice cause i said stuff was unfair
  9. by   cjcsoon2bnp
    I agree with strong_willed. You need to contact your BON and let them know about everything, it could lead to unsafe practice and potentially harm patients. I would also suggest that next time you make a post please try to use a little punctuation and grammar because it helps to make your post easier to understand and less painful on the eyes. Good luck and congratulations on passing the class.

    !Chris
  10. by   nursecassia
    people like this will get theirs, its called Karma...this person will get caught one day be it tomorrow or the next day...have you written your final yet?? one quiz wont determine anything, lets see if they pass the final...your NCLEX I believe...I think if you report it will be your word against theirs.
  11. by   KC4NSICRN
    Holly,
    You need to stand up and say something. I'm going to tell you what happened to me, it's along story, but first, when you go to whomever you choose to tell, you need to have your dates, scores, facts all in order to present evidence in a orderly chronological fashion. Write it out, and a day or two later, read it again, make your corrections and keep it to yourself that you are doing this. If you mail it, send it certified and get a reciept to be returned to you when they recieve it. Now here's what happened to me:

    I was asked to be the RN (on paperwork only) to oversee a pilot program for an LPN class. I agreed and continued to work my regular schedule and not go to the class.
    A few weeks into the class, I heard that the other instructor was doing very unethical things, and MY NAME was on the paperwork. Oh but no! This was a pilot program, which to me means you have be above the minimal standards and have no possibility of scandal or impropriety for the pilot to be successful and turn into a regular program.

    So I decided to drop off some of my schedule and go in and teach some classes myself. We were teaching insulin administration and the class had already learned it but were practicing hands on demonstrations. When one student picked up a catheter tip 60 cc syringe to give INSULIN, my fears were confirmed.
    The students began confiding in me, telling me all the stuff the other instructor was doing while I was not in the classroom. He was treating one half of the class differently than another half, sexually harassing others, giving his teaching notes to his favorites, curving grades, and whiting out failing scores, writing in passing scores and making copies to send to the state.
    I saw what was going on and wrote it all up. I went to the state board. As it was suspected that i was the person who told the state about, I was chastised by some of the hospital admin and told that if the program got shut down I would have to report to the human resources department. My supervisor was sobbing when she told me this. Apparently they knew what was happening, but the higher ups wanted this program at all costs. I dropped out of teaching the class, and later learned that a student had killed a patient with an insulin overdose and later had an MI and died himself.
    I am telling you this to say that I feel like I chickened out by quitting the class, but looked what happened! I never identified mysself to the school as the whistleblower. I did not lose my job, but I was so depressed and felt so bad about all this that I waited a few months and then moved to another school. It really shook my belief in what is right and what is wrong. Unfortunately, the quality of the class was such that two deaths occurred as a result.
    So please, tell someone about this. Identify yourself or not, but if you are close to graduating, wait until after.
    Good luck!
  12. by   rngolfer53
    Quote from hollyandsky
    so i just took my final in a 9 week cna/pct class a class mate always got 30-60 on all test and quizes they let her take extraa credit home and doit out of the bokk anyways we took the final we checked eachothers FINAL she got 55 wrong failed it 50% of grade so she wrote me face book and told me after we left she got to study the answer key and retake the FINAL she got 8 wrong so we graduated today and she got an overall grade of 83 it says all quizes average 81 tests 89 final 96 she always got horrible grades but they let her cheat i am so irrate about this it is not fair i want to tell the state on this school i am really good friends with a teacher and she told me that they will not fail anyone so they wont loook bad how can i get a hold of state its not fair that people not understanding this are going to be phlebotomists cna pct ecg/ekg techs i would not want this person to help me out. so my question how do i tell the state and get them in trouble.. also just found out our teacher just graduated lpn school in april 2009 and never toook state test so she is a pn not a lpn and does not know anything everytime we asked something she would say i dont know and the school got in trouble last yr for not haveing liscensed nurses teaching i guess its illeageal please help i am mad
    I'm not really sure "cheater" is the correct word for your class mate, since if I read your post correctly, she was allowed by the school to re-take quizzes, etc.

    No question that your classmate took advantage of an unfair, and foolish, exemption from academic standards and acted less than honorably.

    The school is the party really at fault, and it needs to be reformed or shut down.
  13. by   Valerie Salva
    Quote from KC4NSICRN
    Holly,
    You need to stand up and say something. I'm going to tell you what happened to me, it's along story, but first, when you go to whomever you choose to tell, you need to have your dates, scores, facts all in order to present evidence in a orderly chronological fashion. Write it out, and a day or two later, read it again, make your corrections and keep it to yourself that you are doing this. If you mail it, send it certified and get a reciept to be returned to you when they recieve it. Now here's what happened to me:

    I was asked to be the RN (on paperwork only) to oversee a pilot program for an LPN class. I agreed and continued to work my regular schedule and not go to the class.
    A few weeks into the class, I heard that the other instructor was doing very unethical things, and MY NAME was on the paperwork. Oh but no! This was a pilot program, which to me means you have be above the minimal standards and have no possibility of scandal or impropriety for the pilot to be successful and turn into a regular program.

    So I decided to drop off some of my schedule and go in and teach some classes myself. We were teaching insulin administration and the class had already learned it but were practicing hands on demonstrations. When one student picked up a catheter tip 60 cc syringe to give INSULIN, my fears were confirmed.
    The students began confiding in me, telling me all the stuff the other instructor was doing while I was not in the classroom. He was treating one half of the class differently than another half, sexually harassing others, giving his teaching notes to his favorites, curving grades, and whiting out failing scores, writing in passing scores and making copies to send to the state.
    I saw what was going on and wrote it all up. I went to the state board. As it was suspected that i was the person who told the state about, I was chastised by some of the hospital admin and told that if the program got shut down I would have to report to the human resources department. My supervisor was sobbing when she told me this. Apparently they knew what was happening, but the higher ups wanted this program at all costs. I dropped out of teaching the class, and later learned that a student had killed a patient with an insulin overdose and later had an MI and died himself.
    I am telling you this to say that I feel like I chickened out by quitting the class, but looked what happened! I never identified mysself to the school as the whistleblower. I did not lose my job, but I was so depressed and felt so bad about all this that I waited a few months and then moved to another school. It really shook my belief in what is right and what is wrong. Unfortunately, the quality of the class was such that two deaths occurred as a result.
    So please, tell someone about this. Identify yourself or not, but if you are close to graduating, wait until after.
    Good luck!
    Oh my God.
  14. by   KC4NSICRN
    Oh, my God is right. I couldn't believe this happened to me.
    Anyway, you learn and move on.

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