Gender Issues in Nursing - page 2
I am a nursing student right now, and I am doing a project on Gender Issues in Nursing. I was wondering if any male and female nurses would be willing to let me know of some issues they've... Read More
Apr 14, '03Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes
OH please don't let this degenerate ...please
Good luck perusing the males in nursing threads...as sjoe says, your answers lie there. Best of luck to you. And welcome to the boards.
Apr 14, '03Thanks for all of the help so far. I will most definitely check out the threads when I get some free time this week. But, if any one still has any experiences they'd like to share regarding either discrimination they've experienced because of their gender, or either a promotion or a hault in your career because of it, I'd really like to hear. What about the pay? Does everyone make the same, just depending on seniority? Do you feel that if there were more ad's out there depicting male nurses (since most of America stereotypes a "nurse" to be female) that more men would be attracted to the field? Any more comments would be greatly appreciated!
Apr 14, '03Originally posted by caroladybelle
Well, I have as friends, a female gastroenterologist and a female urologist, and both of them have encountered bias from male patients and been referred to as "chick docs" in my presence.
You don't call any other profession by its gender?
Actors - Actresses
Stewards - Stewardesses
Waiters - Waitresses
Policemen - Policewomen
Servicemen - Servicewomen
Custodian - Maid
Assistant - Girl Friday
Don't ever call a flight attendant a "stewardess", they hate it. Waitresses and waiters are using "server" more often now I've noticed. Maids are "housekeepers". Do they still use "Girl Friday"??? Girl Friday sounds very outdated, I wouldn't be brave enough to call a female office worker/secretary or assistant and Girl Friday.
Apr 14, '03As a postponed male nurse who has been employed in a hospital as a CNA for one year, I see us all in healthcare sharing a special time in human social development. I apologize , in advance, if I sound like a geek and please do not hate me for my opinion.
It's no secret that nursing has been a tradional female role, and one of the few in the man's/patriarhial world we live. Also, in todays economic climate, you can expect many people to be under the gun for money. In other words, there are male and female nurses who are just doing this for the money and they are not very charming people to be around because of their additudes.
Some women do look at men differently/unfairly. It's not their fault and it's really not worth defining examples of sexist behavior. It is important to know it exists, and to acknowledge when it can/does exist in respectful ways. We all blend and can work well together as an alert and conscious team members.
It's up to the men who are presently entering nursing to have forgiveness for sexist/antiquated nurses. This is an exciting part of human behavior development for all nurses, and the guys should understand how times are changing and only time can change peoples preconceived and rude behaviors to one another based on their gender.
Some men have/will act just as rude and silly as some women do if the tables were turned and it would be a majority of men, instead of women.
In old NYC, the expression is: 'Heyyyy, what are ya gonna do, huh?" Don't forget to smile :-)
Apr 14, '03LOL! I always hear people say "female doctor". Since I work in OB it's true on more than one level Even the male OB docs are "female doctors"
I work in a unionized facility so pay is dependant on experience only. I have read articles that have found men tend to advance to management positions (which pay better) faster than women even when experience is equal.
Apr 14, '03I find it refreshing to work with men as my equal because I dont have to deal with catty, back stabbing etc. Yes there are times when a female would prefer a female nurse for certain proceedures or tasks but professional nurses, male or female, dont take advantage of the situations and simply respect pt wishes.
Apr 14, '03I had back surgery back in July of last year. My nurse was a male and I swear he was the best nurse I have ever had. My father is of the old southern school and was not really taken with him, but my husband and myself were both very pleased with him. While staying with me, my DH almost died r/t BP problems and my nurse was so attentive to both my DH in getting him to the ER and making sure that I was kept informed on his condition. When the shift changed I had a female nurse come on and she was nice but very impersonal and at times acted like I was a problem when I called for help. Just like in all professions, you have good nurses, mediocre nurses and bad nurses and they come in all shapes, sizes, colors and sexes. You cannot judge a book by its cover.
Apr 14, '03must apologize to the kind nurse who posted behind me on page one. my post did imply that SOME male nurses (sorry) may use this excuse to get out of work. i now realize the error of my ways and i should have said, "at the place i work". because i realize now that the place that i work is weird. i have two jobs and am getting ready to drop this one where this behavior is going on. it is not the only weird behavior. take care and hope that everyone is having a great week.........
Apr 14, '03Why the anxiety re: starting a new thread about this topic? If there are those who have been there, done that, why not just not access the thread? I loathe searching archives.
I enjoy working w/ males who are nurses. I have found for the most part that they are mature, caring individuals. And I have seen behavior (once) by a female nurse that was sexual harassment pplain and simple; depants-ing a gut at the station all in the name of fun (*****). He did not report it (he should have) and she is long gone on long term disability......also have noticed that the mistaking of male nurse for doc is fading, saw alot of that in the 80's (Mike and I used to laugh about it!)
Apr 14, '03Davegal,
As a former nursing student, I feel qualified to share my point of view.
It won't be popular opinnion because it's difficult to accept that there is such a thing as a 'female way of learning', so to speak, but I believe the curicculum is non-male friendly. I have been flamed in the past just for bringing it up for discussion, in fact, that's why you probably don't recognize my screename. The subject seemed to just hurt feelings instead of generating useful discussion. I was abandoned to exile for my sentiment.
Be very careful not to discuss this subject on this forum, it will be ugly. In the interest of a GREAT subject for a paper, I will simply make a statement:
In regards to the curicculum, females developed the standards for it, over time, driven by the customer base. Thier customers have been women and so then, the curicculum has been developed and refined in the way the customers prefer. This cycle will continue, perhapse forever. There is little pressure for nursing to attract men to its ranks when it has dificulty finding a place for them. It is much easier to recruit females to nursing while its curicculum is developed with them in mind as customers. The women will say "what's wrong with the curicculum?", silently keeping thier minds eye averted from the horror called........................change.
I'm not trying to sway popular opinnion, I hope it stays as it is actualy. There aren't many female dominated professions out there to choose from and nursing has worked hard to keep it that way. When heavy lifting is needed, a device of some kind is available, and it doesn't carry a chip on its shoulder.
I want others like me to know that it's not them. The square peg, will never fit into the round hole as it was made to fit in the square position.
Males in nursing are courageous and unique individuals, but the attrition rate of males, both in academic, as well as professional settings, when compared in relation to the abysmal percentage of males in the profession overall, is proving the assumption to be true.
Nursing is a female profession, which allows males, not a profession that includes males.
Men that make it through to fill the ranks of the workforce are unique individuals suited to adapt, and able to overcome the differences in psychological motivation between genders.
I admit to being too weak as to not be able to understand the female perspective more thoroughly as to avoid hurting someone's feelings with this post. Be assured that it is not my intention, I'm sorry. Please understand that it will not be possible to have a discussion about my post, whether positive or negative. The great divide between genders is too wide to leap with words that will certainly see us flailing to our literary death.
Apr 14, '03My "customers" are both men and women and have been since time immemorial.... I do think you may have a point, nursing schools are, imho, rigid, hierarchical institutions w/ no allowance made for creative thought and no encouragement to think out of the box. Maybe they've changed--it's been 20 years. I had only 2 instructors that I felt repsected us students and only 1 who actually listened to new ideas. I didn't buy into their goosestep routine then and I don't now.
All that said, I was not aware of a gender bias per se--but I'm female. We had 3 males in our class of 114. Frankly, the hardest time was given to returning students--the ones who already had practiced in acute care and were returning for their BSN--the instructors were brutal to them. One of those was a male ( he had been some sort of medic in vietnam) and they were horrible to this gentle bear of a man.
In all my life, I have never met such belittling, borderline personalities as in my nsg college--the memories stay w/ me even after 19 years.......but that's another thread!