Family Member Watching Pro-terror/ Anti-America/ Anti-Semitic video

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Would love to know your thoughts.

A coworker was stunned to go into a room and find a parent watching an pro-terrorism, anti-America, anti-Semitic video. Allegedly, it was calling for the destruction of the president, America, Jews. She was horrified at the content and even more so horrified that the parent was watching in front of the child, and didn't seem to care if she heard.

She called Risk Management who said there was nothing to do, because it would be a violation of HIPAA.

I felt DCS should have been called because it is emotionally abusive to subject a child to hate speech. (we're talking actual hate speech, here). She was going to consult with a social worker on this aspect.

I also suggested she make an anonymous FBI and/or Homeland Security tip.

Please discuss.

I'm Jewish and lost a large part of my family in Auschwitz II-Birkenau. Only my father and grandparents survived. When I was a child, my mother would show me books with terrible pictures of what happened there, and made me watch documentaries so that I could understand my heritage. I'm very grateful to her now that she taught me that. She made me watch all kinds of documentaries so I would learn what was going on the world, and she would ask me my opinions afterwards. I'm lucky to have had a mother like that. Sometimes you have to watch disturbing things to learn and to form an opinion as to which side you're on and why. Some people may have been shocked at my mother for doing that, but she did the right thing.

I appreciate this perspective. Thank you for sharing.

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I'm Jewish and lost a large part of my family in Auschwitz II-Birkenau. Only my father and grandparents survived. When I was a child, my mother would show me books with terrible pictures of what happened there, and made me watch documentaries so that I could understand my heritage. I'm very grateful to her now that she taught me that. She made me watch all kinds of documentaries so I would learn what was going on the world, and she would ask me my opinions afterwards. I'm lucky to have had a mother like that. Sometimes you have to watch disturbing things to learn and to form an opinion as to which side you're on and why. Some people may have been shocked at my mother for doing that, but she did the right thing.

YAY MOM! Wise woman! It's been said many times...if we don't learn from history we're doomed to repeated it. Mom took care of that for you.

Thank You!

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OP, i don't think you understood my point.

The issue is not one of free speech. Whether the video is protected speech or not is irrelevant. What disturbs me is that you want a person investigated because they and their child are listening to ideas that frighten you. How is this not attempted thought control? That so many posters seem to think it's righteous is truly a nightmare.

Good post.

OP, i don't think you understood my point.

The issue is not one of free speech. Whether the video is protected speech or not is irrelevant. What disturbs me is that you want a person investigated because they and their child are listening to ideas that frighten you. How is this not attempted thought control? That so many posters seem to think it's righteous is truly a nightmare.

Heron,

I understand your point. I'm not sure you understood mine. I'm not 'thought policing' anyone. Anyone can have whatever thoughts they want, say what they want, watch what they want, but certain things could be mentally and emotionally abusive to children. The nurse felt concerned about the child's welfare, so conferred with the appropriate experts, social work, and CPS. They can decide if any action is warranted.

Since you seem to be ok with subjecting children to abusive speech that calls for murder of Jews and the murder of Americans, and murder of the president, is there any speech you would not be ok with subjecting children to? Is it ok to subject them to NAMBLA propaganda? I mean that's free speech, too. Or do we as adults 'have the right' to subject children to literally any speech? Please answer these questions.

Secondly, the nurse felt concerned about the welfare of all of the Americans in *our* community. All of them. Yes, they are frightening thoughts. Again, not trying to stop someone else's thoughts, just POTENTIAL ACTIONS. DHS can decide if it's anything serious or legit with actual potential. I think going on the recommendation of someone who actually worked for DHS is far better than your nursey proclamations that I'm promoting 'thought control.'

She took great care of the patient and family, and did her due diligence as both a nurse & citizen.

Again, none of us here (at least the nurses) are Child Welfare or Intelligence experts. Probably none of us are attorneys in these subjects either. Again, there is the possibility that she/he was watching with disgust and doesn't subscribe to promoting murder and violence. We'll never actually know, but if she/he was, the right thing was done, and the appropriate entities can figure it out. I know my friend's conscience is clear in doing the right thing.

This discussion has been eye-opening on many levels.

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Since you seem to be ok with subjecting children to abusive speech that calls for murder of Jews and the murder of Americans, and murder of the president, is there any speech you would not be ok with subjecting children to? Is it ok to subject them to NAMBLA propaganda? I mean that's free speech, too. Or do we as adults 'have the right' to subject children to literally any speech? Please answer these questions.

I think the question still remains of exactly what was said in the video, and in what context is was said. If the video specifically called for killing Jews, the President, etc., then, absolutely it is something that should not be shown to the child. However, I'm still not convinced it rises to the level of abuse. OTOH, if the nurse feels better reporting it, then she can report it.

We don't know exactly what was said. You have second had knowledge of what went on. You don't even know the purpose of the video--was it a documentary on hate groups and the nurse just happened to walk in at a time when they were discussing the radial/hateful viewpoints? Is the nurse exaggerating what she saw in the video because she understandably finds the who idea disgusting?

She took "great care of the....family?" I'm thinking the family might not see it that way. While they have a very poor choice in videos (and a poor choice in the timing of when to watch them), I don't think it's fair for them to have to defend themselves in an investigation on allegations based on what they chose to watch.

She could hear it, not see it. It was on while she was providing care to the minor child in the room. It was going back and forth between English and a different language. I guess there is the possibility that it was a documentary, but to her it sounded like propaganda. We'll never actually know.

You have mentioned, six times I believe, your concerns that this was being watched in the presence of the child. In at least two of these posts you have suggested that you believed that this rose to the level if child maltreatment.

How exactly did your co worker come to the conclusion that it was propaganda if it "was going back and forth between English and a different language?" What if this indeed was a documentary? Would this change your perception of this event? Would you still think it should be reported?

As for your concerns that this was being played in the presence of the child, what exactly did you mean with the following post?

It's a good point. I refrained from posting more detail for a variety of reasons. But the child was not definitely old enough to have discourse about the topic.

Were you suggesting that the child was too young to understand what was being said? How old exactly was the child?

So when a person of color or a women is taking care of a sexist or racists patient/family, they can decline? As an adult, you will encounter people that have different points of views from yours; however your job and responsibility is still to provide care for such individuals/families. If we can refuse treatment because of sex, race or religion; many people would not receive health care with this way of thinking 🤔

Ignore it and move on.

My experience has been that you are wasting your own precious energy. No one really cares and nothing will get done. Been there, done that, over it.

You will be called a trouble maker, a "Super Nurse", all kinds of names because you care and want to make a difference. it's simply not worth it.

If you point it out they will just say, "Oh I don't believe in that, I was just watching the horror on Youtube!" FBI has bigger stuff on their plate.

As far as child endangerment? Nah, there are enough rednecks living in my area that teach their kids lots of stuff and there isn't a thing you can do about it. You cannot legislate thoughts.

Good luck.

So when a person of color or a women is taking care of a sexist or racists patient/family, they can decline? As an adult, you will encounter people that have different points of views from yours; however your job and responsibility is still to provide care for such individuals/families. If we can refuse treatment because of sex, race or religion; many people would not receive health care with this way of thinking 🤔

This is a weak and irrelevant argument. No one refused care. Reread the topic.

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