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Lburns

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"I also watched BSN come into the hospitals totally unprepared to function on the units, any units! And not only are they unable to function as well as 2yr RNs, they feel the basic nursing skills are beneath them! Give me a two or three yr. RN ANY day! I have watched these so-called "real" nurses ignore patient requests for bedpans, and really anything that might "dirty" those percious educationed hands of theirs! Yes two year RNs may dominate the field, but they are willing to do the work, and give the patients the care they desire! "

I have seen all degrees of nurses from all aspects of nursing give good care and bad care. There are prima donnas in every field but my point is to bring us together. Pt care is the focus but in the 21st century we need to push for education to be taken seriously and make policy changes that are best for the pt and for the nurse.

Lburns

35 Posts

"I also watched BSN come into the hospitals totally unprepared to function on the units, any units! And not only are they unable to function as well as 2yr RNs, they feel the basic nursing skills are beneath them! Give me a two or three yr. RN ANY day! I have watched these so-called "real" nurses ignore patient requests for bedpans, and really anything that might "dirty" those percious educationed hands of theirs! Yes two year RNs may dominate the field, but they are willing to do the work, and give the patients the care they desire! "

I have seen all degrees of nurses from all aspects of nursing give good care and bad care. There are prima donnas in every field but my point is to bring us together. Pt care is the focus but in the 21st century we need to push for education to be taken seriously and make policy changes that are best for the pt and for the nurse.

Lburns

35 Posts

All aspects of my nursing career have made me a better nurse, including my full time job and my full time attending school. I never knew how much value there was in getting my BSN until I actually did it. I have become polically active and attune to health care in my community and to nursing overall. This information was never covered in the ADN program I attended because there wasnt' time. My point in this was never to put down ADN graduates but to elevate the practice of nursing to greater heights. We will never be taken seriously until we can be seen in the same light as other professions and in the ongoing technological growth we need nurses with 4 yr degrees. Nurses will be in far more demand than just the bedside. LB

Originally posted by swmn:

LBurns, I got just one wuestion for you. Are you a "better" nurse now because of your BSN program, because of the fulltime clinical experience you got in your day job, or is it becuase you were able to to apply the stuff you covered in class last night to your clinical challenge on the floor today?

Just wondering.

Lburns

35 Posts

All aspects of my nursing career have made me a better nurse, including my full time job and my full time attending school. I never knew how much value there was in getting my BSN until I actually did it. I have become polically active and attune to health care in my community and to nursing overall. This information was never covered in the ADN program I attended because there wasnt' time. My point in this was never to put down ADN graduates but to elevate the practice of nursing to greater heights. We will never be taken seriously until we can be seen in the same light as other professions and in the ongoing technological growth we need nurses with 4 yr degrees. Nurses will be in far more demand than just the bedside. LB

Originally posted by swmn:

LBurns, I got just one wuestion for you. Are you a "better" nurse now because of your BSN program, because of the fulltime clinical experience you got in your day job, or is it becuase you were able to to apply the stuff you covered in class last night to your clinical challenge on the floor today?

Just wondering.

Lburns

35 Posts

If we are going to be frank the board was an absolute waste of time. They were simple, basic questions anybody could answer and no where near a test of what makes a good nurse. The posting was not about the boards, it is about the professionalism of nursing in the year 2001. The boards are nothing more than a measure of how well you can study the NCLEX notebooks.

Originally posted by MARTRN:

I AM GONNA KEEP THIS REAL SIMPLE........................WE ALL TAKE THE SAME STATE BOARD EXAM!!!!!!!!!!!!! ENOUGH SAID.

Lburns

35 Posts

If we are going to be frank the board was an absolute waste of time. They were simple, basic questions anybody could answer and no where near a test of what makes a good nurse. The posting was not about the boards, it is about the professionalism of nursing in the year 2001. The boards are nothing more than a measure of how well you can study the NCLEX notebooks.

Originally posted by MARTRN:

I AM GONNA KEEP THIS REAL SIMPLE........................WE ALL TAKE THE SAME STATE BOARD EXAM!!!!!!!!!!!!! ENOUGH SAID.

Lburns

35 Posts

Couple of rebuttals if you don't mind:

"I can't believe that you people have the nerve to sit and say that you are better than someone else because you have a BSN, MSN, PHD, or degree in IDIOT HEAD."

Nowhere in my posting is it stated that anyone person is better than anyone else. However, beyond a personal attacks we as a society need nurses with more rounded educations.

"Because we as nurses want to be more than what we are. Glorified butt wipers. Yesss. That is all you are."

I don't believe that at all and if that is the case, all technical skills can be done by anyone taking an 8hr seminar. That is why it is so important for us to become more educated. We are a very powerful group of professionals but we don't show it. Let's face it, if we were taken as serious as lets say the NRA think of the health care policy we could affect and change. We aren't because people throw out the notions above, stagnating us not only as professionals but as people.

"Do you think that because you have more education in THIS particular field you are better than someone else. You are soo wrong. "

I don't think I am better than anybody, I do believe I am more prepared to face society and makes changes in health policy.

"Besides most of you wont step foot into a nursing home because this is beneath you also, so tell me, who is going to take care of them. Get over it. All you are doing is making a living."

I didn't get into nursing for making a living because there are many other ways that are easier to earn money. I sense some anger and perhaps fear in your statements stemming from somewhere other than my meager posting. However, I am in nursing to help people, to makes changes in others life, as a sense of accomplishment at the end of a hard day. I have worked in nursing homes as a volunteer and will continue to do so as I see fit.

"because this is only for those who feel as though ADN, Diploma,and LPN's are beneath them. The Heavenly Father only knows what you think of CNA's. "

CNAs work very hard, as do all the others. However, it remains their choice to do the job that they do. They certainly work with the rest of us as team players in caring for the pt.

"And for your information. I am currently obtaining my BSN just because I want to not to attempt at putting others down."

I hope that you find what you are looking for. Your letter exhibits so much anger

and reads in so many things that I can only assume were left overs from your own experiences. However, if you truly believe you are a glorified "butt wiper" why ever would you spend the time and energy to get your BSN? I am glad for you but you statements are misleading and confusing. Good luck to you in your endeavors.

Lburns

35 Posts

Couple of rebuttals if you don't mind:

"I can't believe that you people have the nerve to sit and say that you are better than someone else because you have a BSN, MSN, PHD, or degree in IDIOT HEAD."

Nowhere in my posting is it stated that anyone person is better than anyone else. However, beyond a personal attacks we as a society need nurses with more rounded educations.

"Because we as nurses want to be more than what we are. Glorified butt wipers. Yesss. That is all you are."

I don't believe that at all and if that is the case, all technical skills can be done by anyone taking an 8hr seminar. That is why it is so important for us to become more educated. We are a very powerful group of professionals but we don't show it. Let's face it, if we were taken as serious as lets say the NRA think of the health care policy we could affect and change. We aren't because people throw out the notions above, stagnating us not only as professionals but as people.

"Do you think that because you have more education in THIS particular field you are better than someone else. You are soo wrong. "

I don't think I am better than anybody, I do believe I am more prepared to face society and makes changes in health policy.

"Besides most of you wont step foot into a nursing home because this is beneath you also, so tell me, who is going to take care of them. Get over it. All you are doing is making a living."

I didn't get into nursing for making a living because there are many other ways that are easier to earn money. I sense some anger and perhaps fear in your statements stemming from somewhere other than my meager posting. However, I am in nursing to help people, to makes changes in others life, as a sense of accomplishment at the end of a hard day. I have worked in nursing homes as a volunteer and will continue to do so as I see fit.

"because this is only for those who feel as though ADN, Diploma,and LPN's are beneath them. The Heavenly Father only knows what you think of CNA's. "

CNAs work very hard, as do all the others. However, it remains their choice to do the job that they do. They certainly work with the rest of us as team players in caring for the pt.

"And for your information. I am currently obtaining my BSN just because I want to not to attempt at putting others down."

I hope that you find what you are looking for. Your letter exhibits so much anger

and reads in so many things that I can only assume were left overs from your own experiences. However, if you truly believe you are a glorified "butt wiper" why ever would you spend the time and energy to get your BSN? I am glad for you but you statements are misleading and confusing. Good luck to you in your endeavors.

NCNocRN

48 Posts

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NCNocRN

48 Posts

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lesliee

47 Posts

I haven't read all the replies to this post, so maybe this issue has already been addressed. Why such aminosity towards nurses with BSN degrees? I really don't understand why people look down upon others that want to further their education - especially if that education is in a field that helps others.

Now, I can understand this reaction if a person with a higher degree puts on "airs" as if his or her co-workers are less than adequate nurses. However, wouldn't that be a bad quality of an individual - not a group as a whole? As a BSN holder with less than a year's experience in the field, I take full advantage of learning tasks from more experienced nurses, whether they be LVN's, ADN's or diploma holders.

It also seems that a majority of responders feel that nurses who have graduated with ADN's or from hospital programs are better equipped to jump right into the working world. Every one of them? I would hate to think that I am the only fairly new grad that feels somewhat insecure in my trade. Why would new grad programs exist if not to help the new grad learn more? Surely new grad programs are not aimed at BSN holders exclusively?!

lesliee

47 Posts

I haven't read all the replies to this post, so maybe this issue has already been addressed. Why such aminosity towards nurses with BSN degrees? I really don't understand why people look down upon others that want to further their education - especially if that education is in a field that helps others.

Now, I can understand this reaction if a person with a higher degree puts on "airs" as if his or her co-workers are less than adequate nurses. However, wouldn't that be a bad quality of an individual - not a group as a whole? As a BSN holder with less than a year's experience in the field, I take full advantage of learning tasks from more experienced nurses, whether they be LVN's, ADN's or diploma holders.

It also seems that a majority of responders feel that nurses who have graduated with ADN's or from hospital programs are better equipped to jump right into the working world. Every one of them? I would hate to think that I am the only fairly new grad that feels somewhat insecure in my trade. Why would new grad programs exist if not to help the new grad learn more? Surely new grad programs are not aimed at BSN holders exclusively?!

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