"Maybe you shouldn't be a nurse" - page 3
Hey everyone. I'm finishing up my first semester of nursing school (finals next week :uhoh21:) and today we were doing skills pass off. Well, through the course of the day we had about three people... Read More
Oct 13, '07Specialty: 28 year(s) of experience in Med/surg,Tele,PACU,ER,ICU,LTAC,HH,Neuro ; Joined: Sep '07; Posts: 463; Likes: 177I remember feeling degraded in nursing school because many of my fellow students where LPNs or had worked in hospitals before. They knew what D%5W, Lactated Ringers, Normal saline was when the instructor asked. she turned to me like "Why don't you know?" I said. I'm paying you to teach me that and that is why I don't know yet."
Nursing is a practice. You can't learn it without practice. The first semester is a little too soon to be weeding out folks. Especially with the shortages we have and the rigorious screening used to even get admitted into a program to begin with.
Oct 13, '07Specialty: 28 year(s) of experience in Med/surg,Tele,PACU,ER,ICU,LTAC,HH,Neuro ; Joined: Sep '07; Posts: 463; Likes: 177https://allnurses.com/forums/f195/ja...le-254935.html
Despite projections that the ongoing shortage of nurses could grow to more than 1 million nurses by 2020, a bottleneck at US nursing schools caused more than 42 000 qualified applicants to be turned away in 2006-2007.
Oct 13, '07Joined: Dec '04; Posts: 330; Likes: 143I was told by an advisor before I ever started taking pre-reqs that maybe I should go another route. He was kind enough to tell me that nursing school was hard and that I may want to go to LPN school and then start RN. I told him that he may want to look at my ACT scores and that I didn't want to go any other route. He didn't come right out and say so, but he probably thought that with my advanced age (37) I wouldn't be able to do it. The only thing he managed to do was make me angry and more determined.
During our 3rd semester one of our instructors told all of us that we were the worst class she had seen in a long time. The only thing she accomplished with that statemtn was to inspire us to prove her wrong and we did. Only one person from that class didn't make it to graduate and we had 90% pass rate on the first try.Last edit by grammyr on Oct 13, '07 : Reason: to add
Oct 13, '07Occupation: Labor and Delivery RN Specialty: LDRP ; Joined: May '02; Posts: 1,595; Likes: 201oops, duplicate!Last edit by allthingsbright on Oct 13, '07
Oct 13, '07Occupation: Labor and Delivery RN Specialty: LDRP ; Joined: May '02; Posts: 1,595; Likes: 201Quote from cc_nurse:yeahthat: The best is yet to come!I hate to say it, but get used to it :uhoh21: and welcome to nursing school. My school started weeding out students in the first sem too.There were a lot of people that we lost along the way, but if you keep in mind that NS is just something to be endured you will have the strength to hold on till the end.
Oct 13, '07Occupation: Assessment Nurse Specialty: 39 year(s) of experience in Case Management, Home Health, UM ; Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 2,611; Likes: 940Quote from krazy_coconutsI think her comment is tacky and inappropriate.Hey everyone. I'm finishing up my first semester of nursing school (finals next week :uhoh21 and today we were doing skills pass off. Well, through the course of the day we had about three people leaving the skills lab sobbing, apparently after being told they were not going to be passed off on a particular area. We've also had a couple of instances throughout the semester when an instructor has told someone they "probably shouldn't be a nurse". This doesn't seem right to me. I understand that it is in the instructors' best interest to produce intelligent, competent nurses...but is it necessary to tell someone they aren't "cut out" for the job in their FIRST semester?
What do you think? I just wanted some opinions.
Similarily, my son and DIL pulled my seven-year-old granddaughter out of the Charter School she was attending after only three weeks, for labeling her and several of her classmates as "Academic Snobs".
In my opinion, neither of these two individuals "probably shouldn't be teachers", either....:angryfire
Oct 13, '07Occupation: ER/ICU Float Specialty: 14 year(s) of experience in Trauma/E.R./ ICU ; Joined: Sep '07; Posts: 51; Likes: 38I don't think we should EVER get used to verbal abuse from instructors, collegues or anyone. There is simply a more appropriate way to handle this. If you have a problem with this instructor take it to her and discuss it. Yes- It is difficult as we nurses tend to be passive aggressive, but now is the time to learn to confront difficult situations. Try and see where she is coming from, and then air your concerns. If you can't resolve this in person, then use your University grievance policy to take it to the next step. There is always three sides to every story: Your side, my side, and somewhere in between- the truth.
I will agree, however, that your instructors feedback seems inappropriate.
Oct 13, '07Joined: Nov '06; Posts: 233; Likes: 93An instructor who says that to someone is a ****** teacher. It's that simple.
Oct 13, '07Occupation: Stay at home mother and student Joined: Jan '07; Posts: 1,088; Likes: 280Quote from earle58You go girl. That is something I would have said but not as professional. Thank you and I hope I don't end up in that situation.to me, that is abusive.
and there is not 1 acceptable excuse for such a comment.
i had an instructor who told me i shouldn't be a nurse.
the next day, i arranged to have a little talk w/her.
in that conversation, i reminder her of my rights as a paying student to obtain the best education possible;
reminded her that although i could handle her comment, others may be victimized by the self-fulfilling prophecy;
and if she ever made such a comment again, i wouldn't hesitate to file a grievance against her, and make her life extremely difficult.
i wasn't emotional, but told her the way it was.
she just stared at me, not saying a word.
i can't advise as to how one fights their battles.
all i can tell you, is that is unconscionable and irresponsible behavior.
hoping this works out for your friend...
Oct 13, '07Occupation: LTC Specialty: 9 year(s) of experience ; Joined: May '04; Posts: 3,422; Likes: 1,298You know what I do when people criticize me? I listen to them. I don't get all puffed up and defensive and whine about being mistreated and abused. Whether we like it or not, there are things we simply are not cut out to do and we don't have the aptitude for. Everyone can't be #1 and no, it's not true that we can do anything we want to do if we put our minds to it and no, it isn't true that there is something out there we can do better than anyone else we just have to find what it is (what ding-dong came up with that idea?) Some people have what it takes and some don't and it isn't abusive to point this out when it is necessary.
We're turning into a society where everyone is given a fair chance but then we expect the "chance" to turn into a "right" to ensure we succeed even though succeeding means lowering standards and making amends.
Caring and the will to succeed is not always enough and the truth hurts. Pain is a part of life. The truth hurts and I've had to face a lot of truth in my life. We all should learn to accept truth more graciously, even when it stings.
Oct 13, '07Occupation: LTC Specialty: 9 year(s) of experience ; Joined: May '04; Posts: 3,422; Likes: 1,298Quote from LogosWhy?An instructor who says that to someone is a ****** teacher. It's that simple.
Perhaps the teacher lacked in the diplomacy department but maybe the teacher was being honest as well. I don't believe it is right to look down on another with the intention of belittling them but I also believe in honesty and I don't think there is a nurse here who would say everyone is cut out to be a nurse. Truth be known there are a lot of nurses who realize they aren't cut out for what they're doing. I'm one of them. I'm not dangerous to patients or incapable of doing the work but emotionally it drains me.
Of course, if you're determined to prove the instructors wrong do it but don't let it get you down and don't think all criticism is meant to hurt your feelings.
Oct 13, '07Occupation: OHN Specialty: 2 year(s) of experience in Tele, infectious disease, new OHN!! ; Joined: Jan '05; Posts: 306; Likes: 106Don't flame me please, but in my experience several instructors had their "pets". i saw people being checked off who froze, if the professor liked them they were given a cue and on occasion walked through a skill and others were met with either silence or the famous "maybe you should not be a nurse" and even "I 've seen girls like you and you will not make it as a nurse". On the second one, she graduated in Sigma Tau, worked in an amazing SICU unit for 2 years and is now in FNP school while working full time. Oh yeah, she is 24. I applaud instructors who help their students build their confidence. I was lucky to have some of those and stay off the poo poo list. We did talk to our advisor, next step dean but to no avail. That is another story. Hang in there and the more you practice the more you realize everyone has to LEARN this stuff, no one is born knowing sterile technique or how to do a head to toe assessment. :spin:
Oct 13, '07Occupation: Freelancing Specialty: 15 year(s) of experience in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele ; Joined: Jun '07; Posts: 5,292; Likes: 7,635Quote from krazy_coconutsMany of us had instructors who said this, it's typical. Some of the best nurses I know had this said to them. At my nursing school there were several intructors who "shouldn't have become instructors" and definately wouldn't be able to handle bedside nursing. There's an old saying "Those who can't do, teach". Not always the case, but I've run into it before. And sometimes "Those who teach, can't"Hey everyone. I'm finishing up my first semester of nursing school (finals next week :uhoh21 and today we were doing skills pass off. Well, through the course of the day we had about three people leaving the skills lab sobbing, apparently after being told they were not going to be passed off on a particular area. We've also had a couple of instances throughout the semester when an instructor has told someone they "probably shouldn't be a nurse". This doesn't seem right to me. I understand that it is in the instructors' best interest to produce intelligent, competent nurses...but is it necessary to tell someone they aren't "cut out" for the job in their FIRST semester?
What do you think? I just wanted some opinions.