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Thank you for bringing this topic up. I am extremely frustrated with the situation I am in right now. I am a new graduate and I can't find a job anywhere. No one in the class before me or my class has been able to find a job. There are tons of RN slots out there but they won't hire new grads. Every hospital in the Seattle area has cancelled its residency programs which was the new grads only way to gain employment to become experienced. Every day I see something on the news about how the economy is so bad and the best career field to go into is nursing. I thought for sure, over the past two years of school I would have a job anywhere, especially with 6 years of military service as a medic. Nope. Swedish, one of the largest employers in the area is going to the Philipines to bring in nurses. I can save them a plane ticket if they would just give me chance. Why are new grads so horrible that they would rather hold positions open for months on end instead of putting some time and energy into a new grad? I have even looked at all of the correction facilities in the area. I have applied everywhere for any type of nursing position created and nothing. I wish I knew what the media was talking about or they could tell me where these nursing jobs are at. Sorry for the rant, but I am frustrated and you hit the nail on the head.

I actually called Swedish Medical Center this morning after I read your letter. I asked if they were hiring nurses and she said yes. I then asked if there was any truth to the rumor that they were bringing in nurses from the Philipines. She admitted that they are, but that it would take a couple of years to get them here. This is right from the horses mouth.

I would go to the paper and tell them the truth about what is going on in Seattle, and all over the country. Make alot of noise. The squeaky wheel gets the grease!!

Get a large group of new grads together, go to a very public place, contact the Seattle PI, and other papers in the area, and don't forget the news. Have your ducks in a row, papers with statistics, all the new grads who cannot find jobs, and now they are going to hire foreign nurses. Have balloons to give to the kids, take blood pressurs, have flyers, etc to give to the public, you know what I mean.

The problem with nurses is that we are not taught how to make a stink, make noise, and get what we want. Nurses are taught in nursing school to be good little girls and boys, and "just be thankful that we accepted you into this school, because we had 50 applicants for each of your seats". We are not taught how to market ourselves, not taught what our rights are, I could go on.

JMHO and my NY $0.02.

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN

Spokane, Washington

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RN1982 specializes in ICU/Critical Care.

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They will spend all that money to bring RNs from the Phillipines but they won't hire U.S. educated RNs? Something is seriously wrong with that picture. I agree with Linda, make a stink.

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At the risk of sounding like a attention wh0re, I mentioned this very thing in my threads of Dont Be Angry.

I watched, first hand as my previous career (IT) was shredded with a buzzsaw.

I watched very talented people, unemployed / underemployed right here in the third largest city in America.

You nurses are TOO nice

You nurses are TOO caring.

You better take heed, not just to what I say, but to what others are saying as well.

Based on my "landscape" view, nurse / patient ratios aren't looking real positive in many places, right? When the economy improves (and it will improve), the number-crunching bean counters will point to their stats and say:

"Hey we've proven it can be done!"

And those original ratios will NEVER return.

I used to be a union member, and I saw first hand the damage unions can do to both employers and their own membership. But Nurses' failure to show any glimmer of cohesion will lead to a race to the bottom. That's why I abandoned my goal of becoming a Nurse.

Devious, manipulative people eventually show their true intent. Most Nurses are genuinely KIND.

And many people think:

KIND = WEAK

I'm thinking of another Dont Be Angry posting...you know what? Every one of you who busts their ass everyday should be P****ED.

In another way, I'm incredibly sad. I KNOW what it's like to make sacrifices and work SO FRIGGING HARD, I couldn't see straight at the end of the day.

I'm sorry guys...I really am. I'm so afraid for all of you.

I'm afraid that in ten years, Nursing won't be a viable career. It'll just be a job.

And not a very good job, either.

DLG

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FireStarterRN has 15 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele.

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You ought to contact Dave Ross from KIRO radio. He has a great show and is a very balanced and insightful talk show host.

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Time for all of us to start writing FOX with what is really going on and following that up with letters to our state Senators, etc.

There are tons of nurses who won't put up with deplorable conditions in bedside nursing. There are tons of new grads that many don't see willing to take on. There is a lack of instructors because the pay is miserable. They want foreign nurses because they are CHEAPER LABOR. That's what this is all about.

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ghillbert has 20 years experience as a MSN, NP and specializes in CTICU.

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Something many of you seem to be missing is that it's not a matter of "jobs for Americans first" when hospitals are hiring foreign nurses rather than new grads. It's a matter of experience v no experience.

Experienced foreign grad does not equal new grad USC.

It's not about americans first - it's about PATIENTS FIRST, including having the required skill mix. I'd rather have some experienced foreign nurse hired than a whole ward full of new grad americans - how will they learn?

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RN1982 specializes in ICU/Critical Care.

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I emailed Fox news.

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You ought to contact Dave Ross from KIRO radio. He has a great show and is a very balanced and insightful talk show host.

I would be happy to have you tell the news about my phone call to Swedish. They admitted on the phone to me that they were recruitng new grads, when there are hundreds on new American grads who cannot find work, this in a town with what is probabley one of the finest colleges of nursing in America, "University of Washington", and lets not forget, "Seattle University". JMHO and my NY $0.02.

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN

Spokane, Washington

PS: Washington nurses- I have written a "Letter to the Editor", about what is going on at Deaconess Medical Center here in Spokane. It should be in the paper tomorrow. For those of you who are not in Washington, The paper is the "Spokesman Review", and you can get it on line. It is about the new owners of Deaconess, who are trying to bust the union, and are only taking away everything that they already have, etc. It is ugly. I have a thread about it in the Nursing Activism thread. I will post my letter if you want to read it. Let me know. Send me a PM. Thanks.

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It's not about americans first - it's about PATIENTS FIRST, including having the required skill mix. I'd rather have some experienced foreign nurse hired than a whole ward full of new grad americans - how will they learn?

There are plenty of experienced American nurses right now that would be more than willing to train new grads who are dying for work. It's about MONEY FIRST. If it was about patients first they would have more CNAs and better staffing ratios. That's what would benefit patients most not to mention bring more experienced nurses back into bedside nursing.

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read the department of homeland security's ombudsman's report on the nursing shortage. importing international nurses does not take away jobs from american nurses.

www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/cisomb_ead_recommendation_36.pdf

oh please spare us from the governmental opinions of that bloated, inefficient agency. who cares what they say about it? all i have to do is drive up the street to the only local hosp to get a door slammed in my face; they have contracts w/ phillipino nurses they can pay like $8/hr and give "room and board" to. the owners of this hosp live out of state, and you can bet they report only to the shareholders.

homeland security?? their idea of protection is a freakin fence a few miles long along the mexican border......

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As an American living and working in the Philippines I've gotten very intimate with both sides of this issue.

Both sides are valid and both sides should be satisfied.

An article was forwarded to me a few weeks ago that I meant to have posted on here but have since lost it, anyway, it showed with the numbers how diminishing nursing graduates are failing to meet the rising demands of the American healthcare industry.

It did NOT factor in the fact that there are hiring freezes and such, it looked at prescribed ratios for nurses in the given population.

Plain and simple folks, if EVERY nursing graduate who becomes a nurse is hired to a hospital in the USA there will STILL be a nursing shortage insomuch that the number of nurses needed is far greater than the number of nurses available.

The article then went on to illustrate that if EVERY unemployed auto worker were to take up nursing and graduate in 2-3 years and then EVERY one of them passed the exams and became licensed; that we would STILL have a shortage.

Numbers are numbers. Hiring overseas should not diminish hiring at home. Nursing pay rates are the same for foreign or domestic nurses.

There is another side that may offend American nurses, but is a fact.

Hospitals desire Asian nurses as staff because the compassionate caregiving aspect of nursing is a far heavier aspect in the education than it is in the USA.

Meaning that patient satisfaction rates are far higher with Asian nurses than with American nurses.

Again, I don't mean to offend.. but this is the reality.

If American healthcare education is going to improve to increase the chances of new graduate hires, then this is the aspect which should be expanded.

Please note before you get upset.. this is not my opinion, this is based on dozens of conversations with various executives who come to the Philippines to find nurses for their hospitals in the USA.

Bottom line, in my opinion there should be a balance, if legislation is passed to allow nurses from retrogressed countries to be able to enter and work in the USA faster then it should also provide for healthcare education enhancement and awareness at earlier stages, it should provide more opportunities for nurses under government employment as school nurses, public nurses and other staffing areas to fill the gaps that our privatized healthcare has created in the USA.

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There are hundreds of thousands of NS currently on waiting list in the USA. Get them into schools and watch the need for foreign nurses shrink. Better working conditions and provide better staffing ratios and techs and bring back the tons of experienced nurses that left the field due to deplorable conditions.

Put incentives in pace for schools to hire more instructors and pay these instructors better wages to get more in place to train all those waiting and wanting to be nurses.

Of course many would rather get foreign nurses. It's sadly way to easy to feed crap the Americans and have them believe it. Doing the above takes money and accountablity. Why do that when you can lie and get cheap labor and decrease the pay for newer American nurses in years to come?! It's a win-win for everyone but the nurses and the patients when even more experienced nurses leave the field.

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