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I am totally against bringing in foreign nurses to fill openings in the US, while hospitals are cutting back and laying off right and left. I just lost my job due to chronic low census. The department has let a few of the nurses go because they were having to send people home and cancel people daily due to the recession. People have lost their insurance, and are having to go to other hospitals (or not) that they can get into without insurance.

I and am having a hard time getting a new job. I have been a nurse for 16 years, and I have never seen so few jobs out there. The recruiters are teling me that for every opening they get, they get a hundred applications. Good jobs are closing within hours of being posted.

On the other hand, I can't get some jobs because my licenses (I have 3 one of which is a compact state) are not accepted everywhere in the US. I had a recruiter tell me today that if I had a NY license I would have been great for a job he just got, but it would take me weeks to get a NY license. I think before we bring in a flock of foreign nurses, we should consider letting the US nurses in harder hit states fill openings in other states without making them pay hundreds of dollars for additional licenses. We are past the point where there should be a universal license that would give us increased opportunity.

I truly feel sorry for the new grad nurses. If an experienced RN has this much difficulty finding a decent job, I can only imagine the difficulty they are facing in the market.

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Ellean55

I looked through your past posts and saw that you’re not even American; you’re from Britain. Your posts are extremely emotional (ie; “foreign” is a bad word) and accusatory and stereotypical (Americans are xenophobic) not based on any real facts at all.

“To those of you who "oppose" the recruiment of overseas nurses, I bet you are there on the picket line along with Americas worst supremacist group - using the nursing shortage on which to vent your prejudice and discriminatory views.”- I find your post right here to be a reflection of your own prejudice and discriminatory views- towards Americans!

Then you stated “why should that employer deny an overseas nurse who would be quite prepared to relocated from the other side of the world, a job opporunity just because the American-trained candidates are unprepared to recognise a fantastic career opportunity when they see one?” I don’t know what unemployed nurses you’ve talked to, but some of the nurses I work with came from other states (ex: MA, OH, MD, NY, NC) because they found opportunities here in my home state. Therefore, your argument is false.

“Yes I have re-read my comments and they quite offensive and I am sorry about that. I was basing comments on my OWN experiences that I had gone through working with nurses from the particular nationalities. . . I didnt mean to cause offence, but my experience shouldnt be invalidated just because I didnt say things in the right way”

It’s okay for you to vent your frustrations about working with foreign nurses- BUT your experiences shouldn’t be invalidated because you “didn’t say things in the right way.” However, when Americans get together to express their disapproval of foreign nurses and how it impacts there lives, all of a sudden OUR experiences are invalidated because everything we say is offensive.

As a nation, Americans must look out for their own best interest because, obviously, politicians and big businesses aren’t doing so. Americans who work hard and pay taxes deserve to be considered FIRST for job opportunities in this country. If that upsets you, then you should stop coming to this thread. Your emotional outbursts aren’t going to change the minds of anyone here.

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Shaka specializes in Staff Nurse-OB primary.

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I have been in this profession for 37 years and have watched as corporate rules have removed any incentives for new nurses to come into this field, hence the shortage of nurses.......and it is being continued.

There is a simple reason, from the prospective of the money changers, for not hiring new grads....it is money.

To hire a new grad and give them the proper orientation can take anywhere from 2 to 3 months. This means they are getting a pay check but not pulling a full load of patient care. When you add up the dollars times the number of new grads that could fill open positions, this is a significant bite into the corporate profit. The number one obligation is to share holders in the corporate world.

An experienced nurse, foreign or otherwise is expected to fulfill the role, completely, within a short orientation period. In the case of travelers it may be 2 or 3 shifts and you are on your own.

I do not agree with the policy of filling American jobs with foreign workers unless it is absolutely a necessity and it is not at this time. What is driving the trend is greed, unfortunately. We, as a profession, need to stand up for ourselves and speak the truth of what is happening. Corporate America is falling and they will use any means possible to extract their dollar from the public. The effects of this are not only on the care givers but also the cared for. They are looking for a short term solution to long term problems. The CEO's of the hospitals, insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies are aware of the problems or we would not be reading all of the projected statistics, they are the ones who provide the numbers. It is beyond anyone's belief that we will get organized and present any efficacious solutions for the future. They only believe we will cower to the fear they are pushing for a short term, ill conceived solution...........unless you are one who stands to put the money in your pocket.

It is sad that our world has come to this, in my mind, but it has come to this by the way of what is happening now, we as a nation are in the middle of the effects of this thinking. Ignorance of the masses is what is being counted on. Fear and panic is what is counted on so reaction not response can dictate policy and enactment of short term, limited benefit solutions.

United we stand, divided we fall!

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FireStarterRN has 15 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele.

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United States is supposed to be a sovereign nation. I personally don't believe in unrestricted immigration. I think it undermines our own workforce by deflating the value of workers. It's a supply an demand thing, basic economics 101. If you flood a marketplace with anything, then the price decreases. When there is a 'shortage' of workers, that gives the workers much more clout.

Fact in point was the effect of the Black Plague of Feudal Europe. The ensuing shortage of workers brought an end to feudalism.

The people from populous, poor countries instead need to practice good family planning instead of producing an endless supply of cheap labor to undermine the working condition in developed countries. It's not to say that their individual aspirations are wrong, or that they are bad people. But, when folks move to the U.S. from deprived nations, they are generally able to tolerate what we would view as deplorable working conditions. This is happening all over the Western World, where living standards are far better.

If we keep being a safety valve for the rest of the world, we eventually will be indistinguishable from it.

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Ok, so here's the deal. If you feel strongly about this write to your elected officials and let them know cause I gaurantee they think there are loads of nursing jobs out there with no US citizens to fill them. I am pretty new to the nursing world, is there any kind of Lobbying organization for nurses in Washington? If not there really should be. (I can't believe I just said that there should be more special interest lobbiests in DC) :)

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RN1982 specializes in ICU/Critical Care.

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I think the best thing we can do is to stop talking about this issue. Its upsetting for everyone including me. I am getting offended by the things people are saying

No one is forcing you to read the thread and the worst thing we can do is to stop talking about the issue. Nursing jobs should go to U.S. trained nurses FIRST.

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sirI has 30 years experience as a MSN, APRN, NP and specializes in Education, FP, LNC, Forensics, ED, OB.

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This is a very very hot topic.

Please, if the subject matter is such that it invites too strong of an emotion, just bypass. It saves wear and tear on the coronary arteries.;)

On the other hand, should you see TOS violations, please report accordingly.

Thanks:)

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We have already exported all of the possible US jobs to foreign countries where people will work for a dime an hour. Now they want to import people to cheaply fill the jobs that aren't able to be exported! Is there any end to corporate greed?

BTW- foreign countries need their own nurses to take care of their people. I have recently seen ads trying to get US nurses to go to Saudi Arabia. I suppose we are cheap labor to them.

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read the department of homeland security's ombudsman's report on the nursing shortage. importing international nurses does not take away jobs from american nurses.

we should welcome with open arms, and be grateful to the talented internantional nurses who want to work in america.

www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/cisomb_ead_recommendation_36.pdf

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Anyausa has 3 years experience.

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Could you just stop this fear about foreign nurses?? I am one of them. Do you really think, that all domestic new grads will put away and they will hire with open arms only foreign nurses???That's insane!

Now it is freeze anyway. New grads are waiting for job or are put on wait list for months.

It has nothing to do with foreign nurses. Believe me, if they can choose BSN, new grad from here and foreign nurse with diploma, they will choose american nurse.

And what is this discussion about nurses from Africa, they are needed in own country??? Of course they are needed there but she works for 50 $ per month and have kids to feed. It is not your business that she chooses to have better life here if they offer that to her and if she is a good nurse! Lucky you that get paid minimum 50 000 per year as a nurse here!

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"And what is this discussion about nurses from Africa, they are needed in own country??? Of course they are needed there but she works for 50 $ per month and have kids to feed. It is not your business that she chooses to have better life here if they offer that to her and if she is a good nurse! Lucky you that get paid minimum 50 000 per year as a nurse here!"

Do you know how much we paid to go to school here? Believe me we need the salary we make to pay for our student loans! I am sorry for the African nurse who need to feed her kids, but we also have kids we need to feed. If the salary in Africa is only 50 dollars a month, then the cost of living is probably such that you can live there for the amount of money they make.

As a taxpaying American it certainly is my business what our legislators propose and vote to enact. That is what a representative government is supposed to be about. In fact US citizens need to pay more attention to what is being done in Washington than they do to what is going on in Hollywoood, or in their neighbors bedroom. We are far too interested in how many kids Angelina Jolie has...

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As someone contemplating going into nursing, I don't find it inspiring when I pay a chunk of my hard-earned money for a course and then not have a job to look forward to afterwards. If the reason they're hiring foreign nurses is because they PREFER someone with experience and ASSUME that new grads don't know anything, then they're undermining the quality of education the nursing schools in the US are giving. People are not born with experience!! I believe that bringing nurses to our shores from overseas is an ATTEMPT at lowering nurse wages so that hospitals can hire more nurses and they can cheapen the nursing profession as a whole. I say instead of handing over a job on a silver platter to someone from overseas, why not have them go through the same training that the rest of us would have to go through like other respectable professions require. Medical terminology is obviously different in their country than here and would need to be learned anyway. Then they too, will have to "wait" for a job when they graduate.

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