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by SamitheCool SamitheCool (Member)

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Our class got some bad news today 7 of our students are being held back due to failing grades! Granted a few of them were slackers but the other 5 were genuine and great students the grades that they had to make in our program were originally set in the syllabus as 75 or above for passing, halfway through the semester they announced a program change due to low NCLEX pass rates, well long story short they upped the passing grade standard to 78% the students that were held back had scores in between 75 and 78! We all dont think its very fair that this happened but the DON is very unsympathetic to say the least! its sad because we have a very small class of 19 as it is! Im really gonna miss those people! My question is what do I say to them when i see them around repeating a semester they should have passed!!

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We had several students fail one or more classes at the end of 1st term. Some dropped out of the class completely & the others repeated the class they failed. They hated to leave our group but now agree they needed to repeat & feel they know the subject so much better.

I agree that the change that was made is pretty crappy but for the ones who didn't pass, it probably is for the best. If they are doing that poorly now, they'll have even more trouble again next term if they are passed.

You're going to run into this situation, losing students to grades, each semester. I am about to start my last term & we already have an idea who won't be going on with us & know of at least one who isn't graduating & will be repeating her last term with us.

Dixie

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That ISN'T fair. At our school they can't do that and they didn't do that. They upped the pass rate when I was in the second semester, but it didn't apply to us, only new starting out semesters. I think that's B.S.

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My question is what do I say to them when i see them around repeating a semester they should have passed!!

No need to say anything, really. At this point, it won't help them to dwell on the past. Just be friendly as always, showing them by your attitude that life moves on - and they can too.

[Ten years from now when y'all have your licenses and are working as nurses, not passing first semester won't make a shred of difference to any of you.]

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Look at it this way, they get a second chance to prove themselves. My school doesn't allow you to retake a nursing class, you fail one class and you are out of the program. You then must apply next year with the new applicants and hope you get pick again. I would rather be able to retake a class then to start from the beginning again. Good Luck and best wishes to all thoses you are in the program.

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A few people got kicked out last semester because they didn't have the 75% pass rate. I tried to keep in touch with one of them, this was already his second time around repeating and therefore his last chance. He doesn't seem to be interested in talking with me since I must remind him of his failure.As for the others......people fail for all sorts of reasons. The others will get a second try at some point in time. If I see them I'll say "Hi" and "How's it going?" but that's about it. They know they failed. I feel bad for them but we all have to move on.

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That isn't fair...and may be illegal. I would call the Department of Education if it's a public school, but I would start with the Dean first and work your way up to the President of the college.

If you start a degree (as in being a Nursing major rather than pre-nursing), and they change the rules, I don't think schools can just randomly do that mid-semester, or even mid-program. A catalog is a contract, and so is a syllabus.

If I was one of those students I would not take that lying down.

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Exactly.

That isn't fair...and may be illegal. I would call the Department of Education if it's a public school, but I would start with the Dean first and work your way up to the President of the college.

If you start a degree (as in being a Nursing major rather than pre-nursing), and they change the rules, I don't think schools can just randomly do that mid-semester, or even mid-program. A catalog is a contract, and so is a syllabus.

If I was one of those students I would not take that lying down.

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Daytonite has 40 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in med/surg, telemetry, IV therapy, mgmt.

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. . .My question is what do I say to them when i see them around repeating a semester they should have passed!!

How about "hi, how are you doing?"

Instead of hanging about talking about how bad or unfair this situation is, why don't you and your eleven fellow students who feel so bad about this, do something constructive to help these other seven, like getting together and help tutor them so they can do better on their second time around?

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SummerGarden has 10 years experience as a ADN, BSN, RN and specializes in ED and Acute Care.

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My question is what do I say to them when i see them around repeating a semester they should have passed!!

I would say, "Hi, it is nice to see you!"

My class lost some students too. If and when I see them again I do not plan to say anything that will rehash old wounds or dig into his/her business. If any of them start talking about his/her situation and how it is unfair I will just be empathetic but I will not fuel the fire sort-to-speak. Hopefully that makes some sense. GL.

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Maybe i'm way out of line...but frankly i think pass rates nationwide are too low. When i require medical treatment, i don't want to be subjected to the care of some nurse with an "average" (~75) understanding of nursing. We will be responsible for people's lives; the standard can never be too high in dealing with human life.

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I had a friend fail out of first quarter and I still talk to her. I call her and email her. We talk about what she is going on to now.

As far as not wanting to be cared for by someone who only achieved a 75, this is human lives we are dealing with and care is much more important to me than how well you perform in a test situation and on paper. There are a couple students in our class who are around 85% avg. and they are much more knowlegable on some things than myself and do an great job with patient care and have much better performance in clinicals than myself. I have a 94-95% avg. I think I am in the top 5 in class for grades. Paper can make you look good but its being able to apply what you know that actually makes the difference. I would feel very comfortable being cared for by someone who scored less and performed better in clinicals.

But thats just my opinion.

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