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Alex_RN has 3 years experience and works as a RN.

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As someone said above, you got off on the wrong foot and stayed there.  As I read your account, I, too, am uncomfortable with your performance.  Everyone (other nurses, your instructors, etc.) are just people and no one is perfect.  None of the people you work with: you future managers, etc., are going to manage you perfectly, like a TV lawyer. You need to bring your own common sense and not rely on others to tell you exactly how to behave professionally.

Your instructors are acting on how uncomfortable your performance is making them and their efforts to get you off the floor are imprecise and not exactly perfect. I would not want to be responsible for managing you and would not trust you to care for my loved one, and no one at your school is interested in taking on that kind of liability. There is literally no good reason for them to support you at this point.

Yes, expectations were poorly communicated: "what happens on the unit stays on the unit" was not clear to you. Unfortunately, telling you to grow up, take responsibility, be engaged, and behave professionally is also vague and probably not helpful to you. But that is how life is.

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I get what you all are saying about the phone. However I saw other students using their phone and they were not being reprimanded. I didntt ask where to use my phone I just saw where other people were using their phone and followed what I saw others were doing. I apologized for using my phone in the wrong area when I was told I was in the wrong area. It was apparent that the instructor was treating me differently but then I had to prove it. In one of the meetings in which I brought a person as a witness I said to the instructor  “I feel like you are treating me differently than other students. You have yelled at me in front of my peers. You don’t do that with other students. Other students have also been late and I don’t see you yell at them but you have yelled at me for being late once “. The director turned to the instructor and said “well now, you won’t be doing that to her anymore now will you?” And my instructor said “no I won’t”. I took that as her acknowledging that she was treating me differently. The person I brought with me to the meeting also noticed this. As far as the woman being left in a wheelchair I don’t feel like I was gone for as long as this instructor claims I was. I think I was trying to help a few other patients and perhaps while this instructor was looking for me she had missed me.

 

I understand about what one poster is saying about telling my instructor about the problem with my legs before hand. I don’t think I would need to tell anyone as my legs only start hurting after several hours of being on my feet. On this particular night lab ran for five hours instead of how long it had usually been running which was a couple hours. I needed to take a break. It doesn’t say anything in our handbook about the necessity of standing at all times during lab, but most people do choose to stand. I didn’t notify anyone about my Illness because I didnt want it to look like I was asking for special treatment. I saw the way my instructor was treating me and I didn’t want to make things worse. I think that as a nurse, my instructor could have easily asked “is there a reason your sitting down ?” Instead of assuming I am disinterested and writing me up for it. We were ironically learning about objective and subjective data that week. I was told by the person that wrote an accommodation about me taking a break that legally I don’t need an accommodation and the faculty are just giving me a hard time for no reason it seems, because it doesn’t state anywhere that anyone needs to stand in lab.

 

Yes I was late once and I took responsibility for that. I saw two other people who were also late and they weren’t reprimanded as far as I saw. As far as a patient complaining, my aunt is a nurse and she said that she would receive complaints all day from patients in nursing homes. I wanted to go down to the clinical and see the complaint for myself and decide if this was a legitimate complaint and see how it was worded. I went there only to find that the nursing home does not record patient complaints. From my understanding for a complaint to be used in court it needs to be documented. I think think the same would apply for dismissing someone from a program, but I’m not a lawyer. It would seem unethical and unprofessional to dismiss a student from a program based on an undocumented complaint. 

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Alex, I think you misunderstood what the instructor was trying to say when she said “what happens in clinical stays in clinical”. Yes, patient confidentiality is important and that should be the purpose of saying something like that. I was asking about an assignment however, that had nothing to do with HIPA. I found out that my instructor had been doing the assignment wrong when I asked another instructor about it . Let me point out that this was an assignment that other instructors were doing as well with students in other clinicals. She was reprimanded about this in front of me, I don’t know if she got into further trouble however. How was I supposed to know that my instructor was not doing an assignment correctly? I assumed that her saying “what happens in clinical stays in clinical” meant to respect HIPA. My instructor later sent out an email that night stating that we all had to do the assignment the way the rest of the school was doing it and reminded us “what happens in clinical stays in clinical”. So she was communicating that everything that happens in clinical stays in clinical. I spoke with someone else from another department about this email and they said that it is unprofessional to tell your students apart from HIPA to keep everything confidential from clinical because it implies that if you are having an issue with your instructor that she does not want you talking about your experience with others. I felt very much this way when she sent out the email, like it was a bit threatening. 

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Ruby Vee has 40 years experience as a BSN.

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I don't think you get it, Misscruella.  You are still making excuses.  You got off on the wrong foot with your instructor, but you made the choice to stay on the wrong foot.  Please read back over the responses you've gotten -- hopefully you will learn something that will help you going forward.

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I understand thay I got off on the wrong foot. I think it’s also clear that the instructor behaved in an unprofessional manner. People do make mistakes, this is school after all. I was targeted after I made a couple mistakes and watched as other people made far worse mistakes and were passed. If I had to do it all over again I would have apologized to my instructor and assured her that I did not intend to get her in trouble. If she continued to treat me differently than other students, failing me after she failed to communicate certain things (and yes I think it should be communicated that I need to sign off with a particular person if I am away from my patient for a certain amount of time, I have never worked in the health care field before and I am a student) , then at that point I would have asked to be transferred to a different clinical location. 

I think this post has gotten a little off track though, I am trying to do a grade appeal with the school. I would Iike it that my failing grade is not shown on my transcripts so I can get into other schools. I don’t think I want to continue at this school since the same thing could happen over again at this school. In order to do this I have to prove certain things. My instructor has said that there were patient complaints made, the perhaps biggest reason for the clinical failure and this complaint would constitute a failure based on safety. Having this on my transcripts would make it possibly unlikely for other schools to admit me. But there is no record with the clinical site of these patient complaints. I am wondering if the only record they have is my instructors correspondence with the director ,if they can still say I failed clinical for unsafe conduct. I am concerned that the complaints were not how the instructor claimed them to be. It is important for my future to figure this out so if someone could answer this question I would appreciate it 

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Ruby Vee has 40 years experience as a BSN.

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23 minutes ago, Misscruella said:

I understand thay I got off on the wrong foot. I think it’s also clear that the instructor behaved in an unprofessional manner. People do make mistakes, this is school after all. I was targeted after I made a couple mistakes and watched as other people made far worse mistakes and were passed. If I had to do it all over again I would have apologized to my instructor and assured her that I did not intend to get her in trouble. If she continued to treat me differently than other students, failing me after she failed to communicate certain things (and yes I think it should be communicated that I need to sign off with a particular person if I am away from my patient for a certain amount of time, I have never worked in the health care field before and I am a student) , then at that point I would have asked to be transferred to a different clinical location. 

I think this post has gotten a little off track though, I am trying to do a grade appeal with the school. I would Iike it that my failing grade is not shown on my transcripts so I can get into other schools. I don’t think I want to continue at this school since the same thing could happen over again at this school. In order to do this I have to prove certain things. My instructor has said that there were patient complaints made, the perhaps biggest reason for the clinical failure and this complaint would constitute a failure based on safety. Having this on my transcripts would make it possibly unlikely for other schools to admit me. But there is no record with the clinical site of these patient complaints. I am wondering if the only record they have is my instructors correspondence with the director ,if they can still say I failed clinical for unsafe conduct. I am concerned that the complaints were not how the instructor claimed them to be. It is important for my future to figure this out so if someone could answer this question I would appreciate it 

Perhaps you can talk to your instructor about what will appear on your transcript.  I don't think there is any way to know without knowing what your instructor turned in for your grade.  

As far as other schools, that sounds like a great idea.  

If I could leave you with one more piece of advice, here it is:  If people like you, they will forgive you more easily.  I've seen people get away with huge mistakes that have gotten other people fired -- because the people that were fired weren't well-liked and the person that got away with it was liked.  It's not fair, but that's the way it is in work, and in school.  Make an effort to be friendly, kind and humble with everyone you meet at school and in your work.  If you get off on the wrong foot with someone, talk to them about it.  As suggested upthread, most people will give you another chance if you're honest.  Behave as if you like everyone, even if you can't stand them.  Keep your phone out of sight and make an effort to be visible and look fascinated in school, in the lab and at clinical.  This is advice that I could have used when I was starting my nursing career -- and I hope I would have paid attention to it. 

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NICU Guy has 4 years experience as a BSN, RN and works as a NICU RN.

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19 hours ago, Misscruella said:

I was asking about an assignment however, that had nothing to do with HIPA. I found out that my instructor had been doing the assignment wrong when I asked another instructor about it . Let me point out that this was an assignment that other instructors were doing as well with students in other clinicals. She was reprimanded about this in front of me, I don’t know if she got into further trouble however. How was I supposed to know that my instructor was not doing an assignment correctly? I assumed that her saying “what happens in clinical stays in clinical” meant to respect HIPA. My instructor later sent out an email that night stating that we all had to do the assignment the way the rest of the school was doing it and reminded us “what happens in clinical stays in clinical”. So she was communicating that everything that happens in clinical stays in clinical.

The "What happens in clinical, stays in clinical" comment was for the fact that she knew how the assignment was suppose to be done, but chose to do it differently. She wanted the students to do the assignment her way and not say anything to other students outside the clinical or other faculty. You talked to another instructor and got your instructor in trouble.

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59 minutes ago, NICU Guy said:

The "What happens in clinical, stays in clinical" comment was for the fact that she knew how the assignment was suppose to be done, but chose to do it differently. She wanted the students to do the assignment her way and not say anything to other students outside the clinical or other faculty. You talked to another instructor and got your instructor in trouble.

Well, according to the standards to which we proudly proclaim to hold ourselves, no this incident does not represent the student [getting the] instructor in trouble.

The instructor made a choice - for what reason, we don't know. And when it was very incidentally discovered, the instructor found herself having to answer for that. That is all. Sheesh, she was an incredibly crappy example of how to behave when you discover you are mistaken, to boot. She sounds pretty novice to me, actually. Either that or just perpetually immature and insecure.

Separate from all of that...

Misscruella, regardless of the outcome of this situation, your potential future career as a nurse hinges upon you stepping up. All this phone business [... etc., etc.] is unacceptable. You aren't going to be told every right and wrong move to make as a nurse or as a human being. If you want to be a nurse, then you should be able to use a set of independently-acquired facts to determine that time spent on your phone during clinical is not well-spent unless there is an emergency that requires it. It is not unreasonable to have your aptitude for nursing judged at least to some extent on whether you can figure out simple things like that.

I suggest taking full responsibility for your missteps and talking with the nursing dean to acknowledge these things and see if you can sort of start afresh (beg for mercy). You could consult someone to see whether you have any legal rights/recourse regarding all of this, but it may very well be a waste given your portion of culpability in the matter.

 

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kbrn2002 has 25 years experience as a ADN, RN and works as a RN Supervisor.

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I was a little surprised at all the supportive responses to the OP in the beginning of the thread.  The entire post came off to me as a whole bunch of excuses and rationalizations for why you were doing things you shouldn't have been doing.  The one thing I can agree with you on is the instructor using you seem disinterested as a reason to fail you. That is entirely subjective and not quantifiable.  But using your phone anywhere you could be seen,  being unavailable and not informing somebody you would be off the floor and sitting down in a setting where you were clearly expected to on your feet and engaged in some lab activity without first discussing it with your lab instructor are all valid reasons to fail on their own. Taken together I really don't think you have a good argument for an appeal.  I could be wrong, but if not take this as a learning experience and improve  your communication skills going forward. 

 

 

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Tenebrae has 6 years experience and works as a Registered Nurse in Gerontology.

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Unfortunately the instructors are the ones with the power, the students have no power. Shouldnt be like that, but it is

 

I had an experience in my second year, an instructor asked me what I would do if I was unsure about a doctors prescribing. I said something along the lines of I would ring the doctor, and ask for clarification "excuse me Dr I am calling to clarify the order for patient X, it appears you have charted ABC is that correct"

This instructor took this to mean I was ringing the doctor to tell them that I was wrong, and then proceeded to pull out a PIP that I had to do in order to stay in the program. I had always been taught that if you are unsure of a Drs order, always clarify, alas, thats not what that instructor heard. i forget what I had to do to complete the PIP but i did it and all was forgotten except I attempted to avoid this instructor like the plague, as she has a tendency to do this to other students. Failed a student on their careplan because they used the PEWS (paediatric early warning signs) scale instead of the EWS (early warning signs)

 

Unfortunately often nursing school is alot of putting your head down and playing the game, because if you attempt to challenge the system often all that happens is you get a large target on your back that puts your likelyhood of completing nursing school in jeopardy. 

 

Other experience was failing my year two nursing care plan. When I took it to the marker prior to resubmitting it, she said and I quote "this is much better" which I took to mean 'this is a passing effort'. Long story short, I failed the resubmit as well due to some really petty reasons. As a good academic record  no previous resubmits I applied for a second resubmit only to be declined on the grounds it was felt I had insufficentr knowledge for a year 2 nursing student, despite five clinical reviews by experienced RNS that said "Tenebrae has very good clinical knowledge for a year two nursing student".

Another classmate who was in the same position as me applied for the resubmit and got granted it

 

my experience of nursing school sucked. And when I realised that fighting against the system was only going to get me kicked out I just put my head down and learned how to play the game

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There was a girl in my BSN program whose grade fell below a B average in one class and they asked her to leave the program. She went before the board and jumped through all the hoops and she was accepted into the cohort behind mine. She was still friendly with some of the students from my cohort and she asked someone to critique a paper for her and they did...the instructor ran it through “turn it in” and she got dinged for plagiarism...game over! She then applied and got accepted into an LPN program with the hope of bridging to RN and was doing very well (she knew a lot from previous classes). A fellow student in that program reported she was cheating, and the woman who reported her said she threatened her and was afraid, once again this girl ended up getting kicked out. Now she is starting an ADN program...if things would have worked out in the first place she would’ve been working as a nurse for almost four years now! I applaud her tenacity, don’t know all the details but trying to be successful and get through nursing school is no joke! It could always be worse! Good luck!🍀 

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What is the policy on purse/clinical failing , can you retake one course while in the program? Or are you dismissed from the program with this one failure?

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