2022 Elections

Beerman, BSN · Nov 11, 2022

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

Looks like Karen Boebert, MGT's bestie, will stay in congress.......barely. Right now she's only about 1300 votes again. Sheesh....

She has not been on Twitter but apparently is celebrating her victory.

They aren't quite "besties".

"Privately, Republicans say Boebert (R-Colo.) — who’s seen as more of a party team player than Greene — detests being tied to her Georgia colleague. And when the House Freedom Caucus board of directors gathered last month at its usual spot a few blocks from the Capitol, the two tangled over Greene’s appearance at a February event organized by a known white nationalist.Their confrontation grew so heated that at least one onlooker feared the Greene-Boebert back-and-forth might escalate beyond the verbal cage match had another board member not stepped in to de-escalate, according to a GOP lawmaker who was granted anonymity to describe what happened. The incident was confirmed by three people connected to the Freedom Caucus, whose members largely avoided public criticism of Greene and Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.) at the time and focused their discontent on the event organizer, Nick Fuentes."

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/29/house-republican-freedom-caucus-challenges-00023071

Beerman, BSN · Nov 11, 2022

I think this is a great analysis of DeSantis' success:

"How did he do it? Despite what the Democrats want us to believe, DeSantis is no Right-wing extremist; he cruised to victory thanks to a record of ruling over Florida for the past four years as a populist appealing to the middle and working class irrespective of their party affiliation. DeSantis has figured out something that’s lost on most politicians, that there are a lot of Americans who are culturally conservative and fiscally protectionist in both parties whom no one is speaking to. These voters are united on issues like Covid-19 lockdowns, sexualised messaging in early childhood education, and immigration, and on each of these issues, DeSantis took a big swing that signalled his willingness to represent this forgotten constituency and give them a voice.

In other words, he took Trump’s central insight, that the white working class has been abandoned by an elitist, Leftist cultural hegemony that looks down on working Americans, and he expanded it to include working-class Hispanics and working-class liberals. That’s why he explicitly thanked Miami Dade County, a heavily Hispanic area that was once considered a Democratic stronghold. He didn’t just win Cubans, either, who always lean conservative; DeSantis grew his share of the Puerto Rican vote by 20 points, from 34% in 2018 to 55% on Tuesday."

Tweety, BSN, RN · Nov 11, 2022

7 hours ago, Beerman said:

I think this is a great analysis of DeSantis' success:

"How did he do it? Despite what the Democrats want us to believe, DeSantis is no Right-wing extremist; he cruised to victory thanks to a record of ruling over Florida for the past four years as a populist appealing to the middle and working class irrespective of their party affiliation. DeSantis has figured out something that’s lost on most politicians, that there are a lot of Americans who are culturally conservative and fiscally protectionist in both parties whom no one is speaking to. These voters are united on issues like Covid-19 lockdowns, sexualised messaging in early childhood education, and immigration, and on each of these issues, DeSantis took a big swing that signalled his willingness to represent this forgotten constituency and give them a voice.

In other words, he took Trump’s central insight, that the white working class has been abandoned by an elitist, Leftist cultural hegemony that looks down on working Americans, and he expanded it to include working-class Hispanics and working-class liberals. That’s why he explicitly thanked Miami Dade County, a heavily Hispanic area that was once considered a Democratic stronghold. He didn’t just win Cubans, either, who always lean conservative; DeSantis grew his share of the Puerto Rican vote by 20 points, from 34% in 2018 to 55% on Tuesday."

You didn't link the article.

I don't think finding people that were "culturally conservative" was that difficult. The state voted against gay marriage prior to him. They've been here. I think perhaps maybe it was politically incorrect to court such people and maybe he gets some props for that.

I'm not so sure he's a fiscally protectionist as he actively went after Florida's largest employer and did not try to woo businesses here that he considered "woke" such as tech industry from California that might want a less expensive state. But the state is growing and unemployment is at one of its lowest levels since 2006, and CNBC published that Florida ranks 11th in the state easiest to do business in.

His publicity stunt in shipping the immigrants from Texas to Mass. was a calculated move to show how he felt about immigration. But again finding people that were anti-illegal immigration wasn't that hard. But he put his face in it and got nationally publicity. Good move.

He also made people forget that he locked down the state, so his "I kept Florida free" didn't ring true and a lot of people suffered with the poor unemployment benefits (my yoga studio went out of business and my barber had to move back home with her parents because she couldn't get benefits in a timely manner), and when he opened back up a huge covid wave sent hospitals to the brink and a lot of people died, and was pro-vaccine. But his opening up quickly after the lockdown in the name of "freedom" over Trump's guidelines was popular. I noted before that Disney Orlando opened up almost a year earlier than Disney California.

Nonetheless he had a big win and obviously won over people that he didn't have before because he barely won the last time. He presided over perhaps the only state where there was actually a "red wave".

He very wisely avoided the Roe vs. Wade issue before mid-terms and this worked in his advantage. Florida has a lot of republicans and democrats but just as many "others" and it was the "others" that he was able to win over.

He also got praise and a boost from the hurricane.

I will say that he did indeed give a voice to millennial parents that apparently are a lot more conservative than I would have realized. He instilled fear of "woke" and conservatives took over the school boards here.

Interesting he lost the counties that include Tallahassee where he works, but it was a rout and he lost only three other areas besides Tallahassee: Orlando (where there is a huge Puerto Rican presence), Gainesville (where the University of Florida is), and Broward County (where Fort Lauderdale is and is a Mecca for gay retirees).

All of this bodes well in his bid for the Presidency.

Finally, Crist was not a good candidate. He was governor during the worst of the crash and high unemployment. He took stimulus money from Obama while being a Republican. He was so disliked by Republicans he went Independent and eventually Democrat. He's lost multiple elections. Democrats like me like that he isn't all that extreme, but the "others" seemed to prefer DeSantis.

toomuchbaloney · Nov 11, 2022

8 hours ago, Beerman said:

I think this is a great analysis of DeSantis' success:

"How did he do it? Despite what the Democrats want us to believe, DeSantis is no Right-wing extremist; he cruised to victory thanks to a record of ruling over Florida for the past four years as a populist appealing to the middle and working class irrespective of their party affiliation. DeSantis has figured out something that’s lost on most politicians, that there are a lot of Americans who are culturally conservative and fiscally protectionist in both parties whom no one is speaking to. These voters are united on issues like Covid-19 lockdowns, sexualised messaging in early childhood education, and immigration, and on each of these issues, DeSantis took a big swing that signalled his willingness to represent this forgotten constituency and give them a voice.

In other words, he took Trump’s central insight, that the white working class has been abandoned by an elitist, Leftist cultural hegemony that looks down on working Americans, and he expanded it to include working-class Hispanics and working-class liberals. That’s why he explicitly thanked Miami Dade County, a heavily Hispanic area that was once considered a Democratic stronghold. He didn’t just win Cubans, either, who always lean conservative; DeSantis grew his share of the Puerto Rican vote by 20 points, from 34% in 2018 to 55% on Tuesday."

Whose analysis did you share?

Tweety, BSN, RN · Nov 11, 2022

57 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Whose analysis did you share?

This?

https://unherd.com/thepost/ron-desantis-the-new-champion-of-trumpism/

Beerman, BSN · Nov 11, 2022

38 minutes ago, Tweety said:

This?

https://unherd.com/thepost/ron-desantis-the-new-champion-of-trumpism/

Yep. Thank you.

toomuchbaloney · Nov 11, 2022

That's a consistent POV from that journalist.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Nov 11, 2022

3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

That's a consistent POV from that journalist.

It does seem to have a right slant. But several articles seem anti-Trump. Interesting it's a UK site.

From the same site:

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Going into the midterm elections yesterday, Republicans were hoping for, and expecting, a red wave. Now, it has turned into a red ripple. With skyrocketing inflation, crime, an energy crunch, and a historically unpopular president, this, as Washington Post columnist Marc Thiessen aptly put it, is a “searing indictment of the Republican Party.”

In reality, though, it’s an indictment of Donald Trump’s failure to do anything more than fire up the MAGA base — at the expense of alienating broad swathes of the electorate. This phenomenon, the political equivalent of running a massive debt and calling it prosperity, is now being fully recognised for what it is by the mainstream of the G.O.P. In response, the party has set in motion a ‘Dump Trump’ movement to purge itself of what is now seen as a toxic element.

https://unherd.com/thepost/the-dump-trump-movement-has-officially-begun/

Trump is a toxic element to the Republican Party and you know for years I've said they need to dump him. I have mixed feelings because if they do and go with someone like DeSantis their chances of unseating an unpopular President are better. But the American in me wants him to go away.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Nov 11, 2022

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Democrats celebrated a better-than-expected performance in the midterm elections this week, blunting Republican efforts to gain ground in Congress and across the country. But their relief masked a continued problem: The party still has work to do to shore up its diverse voter base.

Democrats slipped in some voting blocks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/11/11/black-asian-latino-voter-turnout/

Home Health Columnist / Guide · Nov 11, 2022

UGHhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... sticking his foot in his mouth.

Please pick another Republican for 2024. MD Governor Larry Hogan thinking of entering race, appears to know how to GOVERN.

DOJ where are you with Jan 6th investigation???---- as Trump making BIGGIE Announcement Tuesday, same day Pence new book comes out.

toomuchbaloney · Nov 12, 2022

51 minutes ago, NRSKarenRN said:

UGHhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... sticking his foot in his mouth.

Please pick another Republican for 2024. MD Governor Larry Hogan thinking of entering race, appears to know how to GOVERN.

DOJ where are you with Jan 6th investigation???---- as Trump making BIGGIE Announcement Tuesday, same day Pence new book comes out.

It's pretty sad that our laws allow conmen and criminals to hide behind a political shield.

toomuchbaloney · Nov 12, 2022

2 hours ago, Tweety said:

Democrats slipped in some voting blocks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/11/11/black-asian-latino-voter-turnout/

Yes. Democrats need better messaging and they need to take advantage of all of the platforms to educate people about the purpose of government.