2022 Elections

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“Today we really proved that socialism wins,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez-endorsed Kirsten Gonzalez crowed after winning an open race to represent a district covering parts of Queens, Brooklyn and Manhattan."

https://nypost.com/2022/08/23/socialist-left-swamps-democratic-centrist-challengers-in-ny-state-senate-primaries/

1 hour ago, chare said:

Perhaps not all Republicans are  MAGA lemmings after all.

Trump is 'screaming at everyone' after watching his hand-picked candidates flop: CNN's Jim Acosta

Yes, his candidates didn't fare well.  Even though in many cases, such as Fetterman, the opposing candidate was also poor.

Last night showed that Trump's time needs to be done.

If DeSantis is the Republican candidate, he'll be the next POTUS.

If Trump is the candidate, it'll be whoever the Democrat nominee is.  

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19 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Yes, his candidates didn't fare well.  Even though in many cases, such as Fetterman, the opposing candidate was also poor.

Last night showed that Trump's time needs to be done.

If DeSantis is the Republican candidate, he'll be the next POTUS.

If Trump is the candidate, it'll be whoever the Democrat nominee is.  

That's pretty confident.  Do you think that the majority of the country will like DeSantis' authoritarian style of governance? 

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2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

That's pretty confident.  Do you think that the majority of the country will like DeSantis' authoritarian style of governance? 

Yes, Trump supporters will back him as a given, Christians will like him, anti-trans people will like him, the people so concerned about the border will like him, and most importantly he's not Biden and Biden is very unpopular especially if inflation rages on.

He easily sailed to victory here in Florida.  That won't necessarily translate on a national level but if Trump stays out of the way he'd be a force to be reckoned with.  

 

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2 hours ago, Tweety said:

Yes, Trump supporters will back him as a given, Christians will like him, anti-trans people will like him, the people so concerned about the border will like him, and most importantly he's not Biden and Biden is very unpopular especially if inflation rages on.

He easily sailed to victory here in Florida.  That won't necessarily translate on a national level but if Trump stays out of the way he'd be a force to be reckoned with.  

 

No, it's not a given that the national voting population will want DeSantis brand any more than they wanted Trump's brand of authoritarian governance.  That's the challenge, to convince a majority of the national voters that you've got what they want and Republicans have had trouble doing that for a spell now.  

If the GOP was smart, they would cut Trump loose now, condemn him and join the rest of the country in holding him accountable for his crimes. They could hope that Trump and his movement would become marginalized and less influential in conservative politics.  In the absence of that separation, Trump won't accept loss to DeSantis in a primary, he won't shut up and he won't unite the republican vote in a national election if it's not for him.  Trump won't stay out of the way.  

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6 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

No, it's not a given that the national voting population will want DeSantis brand any more than they wanted Trump's brand of authoritarian governance.  That's the challenge, to convince a majority of the national voters that you've got what they want and Republicans have had trouble doing that for a spell now.  

You're not understanding what I said.  I didn't say it was a given and I said that his victory in Florida may not translate to a national level.  

Many Democrats don't want Biden to run, but it certainly doesn't mean he should be counted out.  Obama took a beating at the mid-terms and won the Presidency a 2nd term.  Rejection of the Republican agenda and Trumpism is alive and well. 

All we have is the mood of Florida right now.  Four years ago DeSantis won by less than one percent.  This election he won with 60% to 40% a clear indicator that yes voters are buying into his brand of governance.  He even flipped my county that he lost four years ago and Miami-Dade.  

What he has going for him is that he's not Trump and he's not Biden.  I totally agree that they need to dump Trump because he's a liability and a liar, but they aren't necessary ready to dump all of Trumpism.  

DeSantis was polling well on a national level before the mid-terms.  His victory in Florida and Trump's poor standing after the mid-terms will only serve to change that.

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New polling shows Gov. Ron DeSantis and not former President Donald Trumpmay be better suited to taking on President Joe Biden in 2024.

A survey from YouGov shows that if a hypothetical national General Election were held now, DeSantis would take 36% of support from “adult citizens” polled, two points behind Biden.

DeSantis was ahead of Biden with Republicans, 85% to 3%, and with Independents, 30% to 24%. Registered voters preferred Biden to DeSantis, 33% to 30%. Biden took 84% of Democrats, meanwhile, with 3% preferring DeSantis.

Biden was ahead of Trump by three points, 40% to 37%, with adult citizens, with Trump underperforming compared to DeSantis with various demographics.

Registered voters preferred Biden over Trump by five points, 45% to 40%. Trump was up with independent voters, 33% to 28%, and with Republican voters, 83% to 3%. Trump did take 5% of Democrats, 2% more than DeSantis, but Biden’s 86% maintained the 81-point spread.

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/552175-national-poll-suggests-ron-desantis-may-be-best-2024-opponent-for-joe-biden/

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2 hours ago, Tweety said:

You're not understanding what I said.  I didn't say it was a given and I said that his victory in Florida may not translate to a national level.  

Many Democrats don't want Biden to run, but it certainly doesn't mean he should be counted out.  Obama took a beating at the mid-terms and won the Presidency a 2nd term.  Rejection of the Republican agenda and Trumpism is alive and well. 

All we have is the mood of Florida right now.  Four years ago DeSantis won by less than one percent.  This election he won with 60% to 40% a clear indicator that yes voters are buying into his brand of governance.  He even flipped my county that he lost four years ago and Miami-Dade.  

What he has going for him is that he's not Trump and he's not Biden.  I totally agree that they need to dump Trump because he's a liability and a liar, but they aren't necessary ready to dump all of Trumpism.  

DeSantis was polling well on a national level before the mid-terms.  His victory in Florida and Trump's poor standing after the mid-terms will only serve to change that.

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/552175-national-poll-suggests-ron-desantis-may-be-best-2024-opponent-for-joe-biden/

I get you. 

I am not convinced that DeSantis popularity with Republicans NOW will translate into popularity in the general election in 2024. Again, Republicans have had difficulty convincing the majority to vote for a republican president for several presidential election cycles. I would suggest that the GOP messaging is less appealing to the general public now than it was when Bush had trouble winning the popular vote in the previous century. I don't think that making a straight up political authoritarian the republican candidate is going to help that messaging.  

I could be wrong...

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DeSantis campaiged on keeping people "free".  They don't seen him as an authoritative figure.  But time will tell.  I would rather see him steal Trump's thunder than not.

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25 minutes ago, Tweety said:

DeSantis campaiged on keeping people "free".  They don't seen him as an authoritative figure.  But time will tell.  I would rather see him steal Trump's thunder than not.

We can agree on that.  He will steal Trump's thunder if the GOP smartens up and stops defending Trump and obstructing that accountability.  It's unlikely that DeSantis would embrace that MAGA mantra about rigged elections when it was his rejection of that movement that likely makes him and others like him attractive.  I would agree that the average republican leaning voter likely doesn't view DeSantis as an authoritarian figure.  I'm not certain that the average nonrepublican leaning voter views him in the same way... especially after the pandemic.  

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Appears Trump having a temper tantrum on his Truth Social platform downing Fox News reports per Twitter link since many endorsed candidates lost.... not too upset with Dr Oz PA loss.

 

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29 minutes ago, NRSKarenRN said:

Appears Trump having a temper tantrum on his Truth Social platform downing Fox News reports per Twitter link since many endorsed candidates lost.... not too upset with Dr Oz PA loss.

 

Trump would never be able to admit that his campaign strategies are not winning strategies.  Most Americans don't approve of liars and cheats. 

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To be clear I have heard the word authoritarian used about DeSantis, especially with arrests felony voters by his police and other issues from friends and left wing press. 

https://www.losangelesblade.com/2022/08/20/the-march-towards-despotic-authoritarianism-desantis-florida/

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Looks like Karen Boebert, MGT's bestie,  will stay in congress.......barely.  Right now she's only about 1300 votes again.  Sheesh....

She has not been on Twitter but apparently is celebrating her victory.  

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