Do you guys see a lot of people saying they are nursing students....

[~Mi Vida Loca~RN]

or go to nursing school and than find out they are still in the Pre Req phase? I swear I have seen a good number of people do this, and than when I say, "Oh what semester are you in, I am in this semester" they are like, Oh well I am not actually in yet but I start pre reqs soon, or I just started pre reqs. I wonder why that is. Before I started the actual program I would say if asked that I was doing Pre Reqs to get into the nursing program. Or I am on the waitlist for the nursing program.

[lifelearningrn, BSN, RN]

Q: "What are you going to school for?"

A: "Nursing"

or

Statement: "I'm in school for nursing!"

These are accurate for both pre-nursing and nursing students. And IMO not at all dishonest for a pre-nursing student to say.

[~Mi Vida Loca~RN, ASN, RN]

And that was your experience, not mine. Which is why you decided to stick with the "I'm in pre-nursing", and I decided to say "I'm a nursing student".

And are you missing the post above questioning the brightness of my friends, and your agreement with said post? Since my original post seems to be misunderstood, I felt the need to clarify. Is everything clear now?

My agreement was to the fact that I never had any problems either, which is what I commented. Are we cleared up on that now?

[bekindtokittens]

Originally Posted by mspontiac

Maybe you need to get a friend who is a little more bright. I never had to explain that much when I was taking pre-reqs!

I agree, I never had any problems either

Really, so when quoting that original post, you were only agreeing with the second sentence? I don't believe that is true.

I think what is clear is that you do not like other posters disagreeing with you, which I did. This bulletin board is pretty strict, so in order to keep this thread open, I'm going to stop arguing now.

[~Mi Vida Loca~RN, ASN, RN]

Originally Posted by mspontiac

Maybe you need to get a friend who is a little more bright. I never had to explain that much when I was taking pre-reqs!

I agree, I never had any problems either

Really, so when quoting that original post, you were only agreeing with the second sentence? I don't believe that is true.

I think what is clear is that you do not like other posters disagreeing with you, which I did. This bulletin board is pretty strict, so in order to keep this thread open, I'm going to stop arguing now.

Yes I quoted the whole post, it's a lot easier than having to alter it. I mean "I agree, I never had problems either." Sounds pretty clear to me. I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me. In fact I love a good discussion. When people get rude and condescending though, that is when I have a problem. I really don't care what you believe is true. I know what I was agreeing with. It's what I have stated many times in this thread. But you're free to think what you want, only I can know what I was agreeing with :)

[iPink, BSN, RN]

I know you're not looking for a referee, but I just read a few posts from Mi Vida Loca's last post. When she made the "I agree, I never had any problems either" statement, it was pretty clear. She was only agreeing with not having to explain the meaning of prerequisites, etc.

To add, I have never had to go into that "hypothetical" scenario bekindtokittens made, even to those who's never been to college. I simply state, I'm pursuing nursing and have to take the required courses before applying. I usually get an "Ah, ok. You can do it."

[Anoetos, BSN, RN]

As funny as BeKindtoKitten's hypothetical scenario was, it was also VERY hypothetical, so hypothetical in fact that, for most it verged on unlikely.

In one way it was a little insulting to Bob, and I think that's all MiVida was getting at.

He's either not very bright or not very engaged.

[Saysfaa]

I've had similar "hypothetical" conversations. Quite a few of them, actually. Some with random people I'd just met, others with people I know are intelligent. Disengaged? maybe. A more accurate depiction would be engaged with things other than the education of nurses.

I've never said I was in nursing school or said "yes" when someone asked if I was in nursing school. For a while, I cared that people understood I was not in nursing school (hense the "hypothetical" conversations). Then I started simply answering the questions asked. Answering accurately but not in the ways that made sure they understood the implications. Few people ask me for clarification anymore.

[Seas]

If you are NOT accepted into a nursing school (yet), then you are NOT a nursing student. period.

[lifelearningrn, BSN, RN]

If you are NOT accepted into a nursing school (yet), then you are NOT a nursing student. period.

Your 'major' can be nursing. You can be going to school for nursing. Pre-nursing classes fit that mold since they are classs one takes when they are majoring in nursing.

So while y'all may be protective of your high status of actually being in "nursing school"... you don't have exclusive rights to the nursing major!

And I hear commonly in my A&P class, "Are you doing nursing?" Answer:"yes!" We ALL know what she means. We ALL know she's still in the pre-req stage. She's not being deceitful or trying to pull one over on anyone. She's answering the question with the appropriate answer. I've encountered this often in my prereqs with no one person claiming to be in nursing school.

What I think we have here are some overly self-important nursing students nitpicking at us nursing MAJORS.

And who decided "pre-nursing" should be the title of anyone not in an actual 'nursing school'?

[Seas]

You may be going for nursing and be taking pre-nursing classes currently. Now, that's different than being a nursing student. I am a third semester nursing student, and I know exactly how hard it was to get into this school and whats more how hard it is to survive nursing school. I dont mean to belittle or something the non-nursing students. Pre-nursing classes are steps to the nursing school that we all have to go through. Being a nursing student means stress, sleepless nights, intense studying, sweating for clinicals and skill evals to me. I personally think people who haven't strived all that we Nsg students have gone through, they don't deserve to call themselves a "nursing student" After all, if you aren't in "nursing school", you are obviously not a nursing student yet. Why getting offensive? There is nothing wrong with taking pre-requisite classes and not being in nsg school. We all have been there once. I have never thought about introducing myself to people as nursing student when I actually wasnt accepted to the program yet and so wasn't one. Non-nursing students who call themselves a nsg student are just disregarding all that hard work, stress, and busy process we go through to keep being a nursing student and not fail. It is more and harder than saying "I am going for it, so I am nursing student." No. It shouldn't be that easy.

I want to add that I don't mean to glorify nursing school or nursing students here. it could be a different career and I would still think this way. If you weren't in law/medical/accounting, etc school, then you wouldn't be a law/medical or accounting student for example.

[Anoetos, BSN, RN]

Your 'major' can be nursing. You can be going to school for nursing. Pre-nursing classes fit that mold since they are classs one takes when they are majoring in nursing.

So while y'all may be protective of your high status of actually being in "nursing school"... you don't have exclusive rights to the nursing major!

And I hear commonly in my A&P class, "Are you doing nursing?" Answer:"yes!" We ALL know what she means. We ALL know she's still in the pre-req stage. She's not being deceitful or trying to pull one over on anyone. She's answering the question with the appropriate answer. I've encountered this often in my prereqs with no one person claiming to be in nursing school.

What I think we have here are some overly self-important nursing students nitpicking at us nursing MAJORS.

And who decided "pre-nursing" should be the title of anyone not in an actual 'nursing school'?

Actually, in most schools, your major is NOT nursing until you have been accepted. In most schools, before you are accepted, your major is "Health Professions - Pre-Nursing" or some variation thereof.

[Anoetos, BSN, RN]

In order to try and be balanced about this, let me say that I have the same basic attitude toward people who say they are nursing students before they have ever set foot in a nursing class as I do of anyone who thinks they know something but really don't.

Because the difference is that NS is very hard. It's physically, intellectually and emotionally demanding. Now, some people may be able to breeze through, I can't speak for them. All I know is that I am cohorting with 44 other students, all with gpa's between 3.8 and 4.0, who now find themselves biting and clawing for B's.

Before I was accepted, I thought I would be the exception: surely, I was smarter than they were. Surely, I would be able to maintain my 4.0 gpa. Surely, they did not mean me when they said that NS was unlike anything I had ever experienced, and that I would have to learn a whole new way of thinking and do so quickly or I would flame out

like so many others. Surely, I thought, I would be different.

I am not.

So, to my mind, it is not just about protecting a position. It is more about a realization

and acceptance of the order implied by it.

Now, again, I cannot speak for everyone, and you can call me an elitist with delusions of grandeur if you like, but if you're at all interested in justice, you should wait until you've

walked a mile in my shoes, and you won't be able to do that until you get in...IF you

get in. Some here are in programs and have no difficulty with people pretending to be

what they are not. I applaud them. I am not capable of the same laissez-faire attitude

that they are. I am jealous for my own accomplishments. Whether that is right or wrong

I cannot tell. And I don't know whether I will change my mind at some point in the

future.

People who say they are "in nursing" before they have been accepted don't make me angry. To be entirely honest, they sadden me and, not to put too fine a point on it, they frighten me. It's like any situation where someone thinks they know something before they've experienced it; to many of us who have experienced it, it looks like hubris.

I feel like I should be stepping out of the way of the lightning bolt.