Vaccine Conspiracy Theorists More Likely To See Conspiracy Everywhere

Nurses COVID

Published

"Where do climate change deniers, anti-GMO activists, and vaccine conspiracy theorists overlap one another? According to a recent study, described in Mother Jones, they seem to triangulate on a tendency to believe in conspiracies. And evidently, according to the study authors, no single theory has a stronger hold on the minds of such like-tending folk as the vaccines pharmaco-governmento-medico conspiracy theory does. According to Chris Mooney, author of The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science-and Reality, and writing at Mother Jones:

The finding may cast a great deal of light on the strange persistence of anti-vaccine views, which have centered on the claim that childhood vaccines are behind an alleged "epidemic" of autism. This assertion has been rejected by scientists. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Institute of Medicine have both weighed in strongly on the matter; and one chief proponent of the vaccine concerns, Andrew Wakefield, has even seen his original 1998 paper raising concerns about the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine retracted by the journal that published it, The Lancet.

Yet vaccine fears have persisted in the face of all scientific refutation (not to mention medical and public health experts saying that the failure to vaccinate is downright dangerous). And if these beliefs are often conspiratorial, that might help explain why. Almost by definition, conspiracy theories are irrefutable; rejections by scientific authorities just become part of the conspiracy."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2013/10/03/vaccine-conspiracy-theorists-more-likely-to-see-conspiracy-everywhere/

Specializes in Anesthesia.

Interviews - Paul Offit, M.d. | The Vaccine War | FRONTLINE | PBS I think this one page debunks basically everything you just posted.

here are a couple of other points:

1. The U.S. does have higher vaccination rates than some countries, but we also have lower rates of most vaccine preventable diseases like measles.

2. There is no link between autism and vaccines. There never has been and there still isn't a link between autism and vaccines.

3. Flu vaccines are probably the most highly studied medication there is. Anyone can do a simple Pubmed search and find multiple studies done for flu vaccines. These are post marketing i.e. phase IV research, and they are at least a few done every year.

Which anti-vaccine site(s) is this originating from?

Those blood tests and Titers ...were true. If you wanna prove me wrong, or do a good experiment ....lets see how many people pass a titer .

Something tells me you'll push for more vaccines ....

Specializes in Anesthesia.
Those blood tests and Titers ...were true. If you wanna prove me wrong, or do a good experiment ....lets see how many people pass a titer .

Something tells me you'll push for more vaccines ....

I don't know what you are talking about. It has been around 2 weeks since you last posted something in this thread.

As always if you want to debate a scientific subject post some peer-reviewed scientific evidence to support your point of view.

I have not had the time to investigate my personal anecdote as to why my titers would require me to undergo all childhood vaccination again. All I can say is that there is really nothing you or anyone else can post to explain that. I'm sure there are NO studies on it, other than the ones I posted. Go take a blood titer and let me know the results. I'm initiating a study here. I'm sure you could get a blood titer if you requested.

But to answer your question on the "anti-vaccine" page. Alex Jones is the biggest fear mongering conspiracy theorists out there. It gets really juicy when he talks about vaccines micro-chipping people. :cat:

We can agree to disagree for now.

Specializes in Anesthesia.
I have not had the time to investigate my personal anecdote as to why my titers would require me to undergo all childhood vaccination again. All I can say is that there is really nothing you or anyone else can post to explain that. I'm sure there are NO studies on it, other than the ones I posted. Go take a blood titer and let me know the results. I'm initiating a study here. I'm sure you could get a blood titer if you requested.

But to answer your question on the "anti-vaccine" page. Alex Jones is the biggest fear mongering conspiracy theorists out there. It gets really juicy when he talks about vaccines micro-chipping people. :cat:

We can agree to disagree for now.

Yeah, so much for no studies...Varicella immunity: persistent se... [Ann Allergy Asthma Immunol. 1999] - PubMed - NCBI

"A nursing student received 2 valid, documented doses of varicella vaccine. For whatever reason, she subsequently had a titer drawn. The titer was negative. Do you recommend revaccination with 2 doses of varicella vaccine?

No. Documented receipt of 2 doses of varicella vaccine supersedes results of subsequent serologic testing. Most commercially available tests for varicella antibody are not sensitive enough to detect vaccine-induced antibody, which is why CDC does not recommend post-vaccination testing. For more information, see page 24 of ACIP's Immunization of Health-Care Personnel, available at www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/rr/rr6007.pdf."

Ask the Experts about Chickenpox (Varicella) Vaccines - CDC experts answer Q&As.

In other words the average antibody titer for vaccines may not be sensitive enough to detect vaccine induced antibodies.

I have had titers drawn for the MMR and chicken pox and both of mine came back positive showing I still have immunity to both.

You are quick to believe in conspiracy theories and will spend hours listening/reading about them, but you fail to take two minutes to find out why your own antibody titers might have been negative and you falsely assume there is no research on the subject. There is a multitude of research on the subject from sensitivity of the individual test to why certain individuals do not seroconvert.

Wtbcrna, thank you! I have a list of links on my computer concerning vaccines and you just have me a few to add. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim....and it is frustrating that when asked to present evidence supporting their position, the conspiracy theorists tend toward blog posts and anecdote rather than a peer-reviewed empirical study. This is a weekly discussion for me with several family members and friends who would prefer to forward shock and awe posts on Facebook than read evidence to the contrary.

Here's one: a guy I went to high school with would post anti-vaccine posts daily on his Facebook page, saying how horrible vaccinations are and he wasn't going to get his child vaccinated. Both my kids have all their vaccines, up to date, and will get their flu shot yearly. The breaking point with the guy is when he said that it is "forcing cannibalism" on his child to get vaccinations. That's a stretch. Regarding the vaccine/autism link, hasn't that been completely disproved multiple times? Autism is a horrible thing to deal with and we need to find a cure or preventative measure for it, but it's not vaccines despite what Jenny McCarthy says. Oh, that's right, she "cured" her son's Autism by switching him to a gluten-free diet. Oh, never mind, he never had autism to begin with. There is such a HUGE range that falls under the autism spectrum and better screening for it, that's why it seems so prevalent.

Specializes in Telemetry.
http://www.docbastard.blogspot.com/2014/03/surgery-must-be-stopped.html?m=1 . Take a look at this blog post for an interesting perspective.
http://www.docbastard.blogspot.com/2014/03/surgery-must-be-stopped.html?m=1 . Take a look at this blog post for an interesting perspective.

Brilliant, Leigh. That's worth a share.

Specializes in Telemetry.
Brilliant, Leigh. That's worth a share.

I love the way DocBastard puts it out there. :thumbup:

I do too....so many quotes I can't quote here ;)

I'm sorry I haven't had the steam. I wanted to draw up a good argument because I think many who are afraid of vaccines are too scared to state the exact reasons and fears. I wanted to bring the elements together in a forum where people could see both sides of the issue. I have learned quite much from you, and I thank you for that. I'm just sorry I feel short on my side of the debate.

There are studies on both sides and you haven't exactly addressed those studies. You obviously are much more educated than me, as I am a nursing student. As you can tell, I love debate and I don't think my interest in politics hinders me, in fact it has propelled me. It keeps me thinking and I look deeper into many more subjects than most people would because it keeps me searching for answers and truths. It takes a good collective of different minds my friend. :)

+ Add a Comment