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1,000 days for nurse strike

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after 1,000 days of being on strike among the nurses at northern michigan hospital, the light at the end of the tunnel still cannot be seen.

"our hearts are still broken because this hasn't been resolved. this is still a sore point among our community and the people in our parish," said the rev. douglas kenny, of zion lutheran church in petoskey.

the strike at the hospital reached 1,000 days on tuesday.

kenny said he and members of the little traverse ministry alliance - which he is the president of - are counseling both sides on this issue and trying to be a bridge between the two.

'it's been hard and it's been frustrating to help," he said. "things don't look any closer to resolution today than they were back in november."

full story: 1,000 days for nurse strike [petoskey news-review,mi]

Faeriewand, ASN, RN

Specializes in med/surg/tele/neuro/rehab/corrections.

Talk about a tough row to hoe!

Too bad not all the nurses decided Union was the way to go. :o

I wish them the very best.

So have those striking nurses just not been working the last 1000days or can they work somewhere else??? And if they work somewhere else, can they still be on strike somewhere else???

OH God....this union stuff can be quite confusing.

I really believe that the striking nurses need to enforce a work stoppage. Not letting anyone besides management into the building. Only reason for letting management nurses in is to take care of the patients already there. This is such a sad case, worked there ten plus years ago. Management's attitiude towards nursing is ridiculous. Did you see the part where, early in the strike, one of the doctors swerved his car into a bunch of the picketing nurses? Kind of goes to the heart of the attitude. The area is strongly non-union due to a very wealthy population who expects all kinds of free or cheap labor, so the hospital has some strong supporters to keep unions out of the area. What a mess

This is a sad situation. I hope these nurses are getting support from the community. I am in kentucky and I have not even heard about this strike. Is there no news coverage for them.. I agree with a prior post who would not want union representation when they are working for a hospital like this? This is just heartbreaking.

These things can happen when teamsters get involved with healthcare. It sounds like the nurses who have been working there during the strike are happy. They choose not to be represented by the union. I guess we'll just have to see how those challenged ballots shake out with the NLRB. I belive the law says that if you haven't been employed there for 12 months or more you are not eligable to vote, but I could be wrong. I'll have to go look that one up. The primary thing is, are the patients being cared for by competent people and are those people working there voluntarily?

By the way it is illegal to stop replacement workers from entering the workplace!

I dont understand why the hospital doesn't just fire all the union strikers.

I dont understand why the hospital doesn't just fire all the union strikers.

Why should the hospital fire the nurses who are striking? It is their constitutional right. They are striking because of valid issues, there is nothing wrong with that. I think that nurses do not use use strikes and more aggressive methods enough. Nursing would not be in the position they are in right now, with low pay, piss- poor benefits, no respect, no control over our profession, our professional practice being sold to the highest bidder, etc, the list is endless. Nurses should just walk out on strike, and not give the hospital the opportunity to bring in scabs who work strikes. We are too nice. Let the hospital and the public be inconvenienced for a change, and let them feel what life is like without a caring, educated, licensed registered nurse. OH, I forgot! The Martyr Marys of the nursing profession would never allow that. Better that nurses are on strike for 3 years, and going no where fast. Business as usual, while nothing gets accomplished to complete this contract. Hospitals have nothing to fear from nurses. JMHO.

Lindarn RN, BSN, CCRN

Spokane, Washington

It is not legal to fire striking workers in any field not just nursing. The law (NLRA)does however require healthcare workers to give a 10 day notice in writing before a strike, so that the hospital can find replacement workers, cancel elective procedures and transfer patients if needed.

Striking workers cannot be fired, but they can be Permanently Replaced. The strikers would be put on a list in order of seniority to be recalled to jobs for which they are qualified when such an opening occurs, but they cannot be fired. I sounds like this hospital has chosen to permanently replace their striking workers which is perfectly legal.

I have been a nurse for twenty years and am not a "martyr mary" but just don't see my profession as negatively as some who post here. If I were that disenchanted with nursing, I'd have left to do something else.

It is not legal to fire striking workers in any field not just nursing. The law (NLRA)does however require healthcare workers to give a 10 day notice in writing before a strike, so that the hospital can find replacement workers, cancel elective procedures and transfer patients if needed.

Striking workers cannot be fired, but they can be Permanently Replaced. The strikers would be put on a list in order of seniority to be recalled to jobs for which they are qualified when such an opening occurs, but they cannot be fired. I sounds like this hospital has chosen to permanently replace their striking workers which is perfectly legal.

I have been a nurse for twenty years and am not a "martyr mary" but just don't see my profession as negatively as some who post here. If I were that disenchanted with nursing, I'd have left to do something else.

I did. There will never be any improvement in nurses wages, benifits, treatment. As long as there are fellow nurses who will berate the nurses who have the guts to take a stand, nothing will ever change in nursing. Hospitals count on nurses to sit back and take their abusive and condescending treatment. This is exactly what hospitals count on, and we never seem to let them down. I applaud the California Nurses Association for continuing to discount the 'nancy nurse' syndrome that still permeates too much of our practice.

How many more nurses, experienced and new grads, have to leave nursing before this mentality finally goes to its grave. Will it take the death of the nursing profession, as we know it to make people understand? That is what the ultimate goal of the hospitals, American Hospital Association, and the insurance companies have in their future goals. If you are too blind to see it, oh well. There are those of us who have sat back and looked at the big picture, and have figured it out. If you look past the image that the hospitals want you to see, you will see it too. doctors have a job action that they call a "work slowdown", that amount to a strike, and refuse to take medicaid and medicare patients because they don't get reimbursed enough from the government and insurance companies. Is that OK in your book? should the hospital replace the doctors that conduct themselves like that? Do you condone this conduct by physicians, and think that they should be sanctioned? I do. They are witholding their work and skills for financial gain, and act like spoiled brats. They make several times what nurses make, and complain. I would like to see what they would do if they were treated with the same disdain that nurses are.

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN

Spokane, Washington

Hi,

This is the first time I have ever heard of a nurses strike. Maybe I am not understanding the issue here. Are the nurses striking from overtime? I am from Vancouver, Canada. According to the laws here, it is illegal for nurses to strike. Four years ago, nurses here were striking for overtime (meaning we have the right to refuse OT only, nurses must still have to work to provide essential services) and that has created chaos. The government stated that health care here is considered essential services and nurses are regulated back to work. Our union stated that if a strike occurs, we would be violating our code of ethics including "the duty to care". Please enlighten me.

Hi,

This is the first time I have ever heard of a nurses strike. Maybe I am not understanding the issue here. Are the nurses striking from overtime? I am from Vancouver, Canada. According to the laws here, it is illegal for nurses to strike. Four years ago, nurses here were striking for overtime (meaning we have the right to refuse OT only, nurses must still have to work to provide essential services) and that has created chaos. The government stated that health care here is considered essential services and nurses are regulated back to work. Our union stated that if a strike occurs, we would be violating our code of ethics including "the duty to care". Please enlighten me.

In the US nurses can strike depending on the kind of facility it is. government run hospitals such as the VA are not supposed the strike at all under the PERA(public employee's relations act) but somehow manage to at times anyway. The Law can stop those strikes like they recently did in California in the UC system which is publicly run. Private hospital nurses can strike as long as they give a ten day notice in writing to the hospital and the federal mediation and consiliation service, according to the NLRA (national labor relations act)

So the answer to your question depends on who your employer is.

In Canada all the hospitals are run by the government so they make the laws.

All nurses must be union in Canada as well or they can't work. At leaste here in the US we have choices.

I hope this was helpful.

Originally posted by lindarn

I applaud the California Nurses Association

This strike is not with California Nurses it's the TEAMSTERS, but I can understand the confusion. They are similar in their tactics.

I admit, I don't know much about unions and strikes, and it's very difficult to judge this specific situation becuase there is no detail. Just that they have been on strike for 1000 days.

but given the information I have been all I can think is: 1000 days?! Isn't that a bit excessive. Don't they think it's time to change tactics. Advertise for community support, get the governer involved, lobby the white house.

I don't know what these protestors are currently doing but 1000 days, or even 365 days, their tactic is not working!

I admit, I don't know much about unions and strikes, and it's very difficult to judge this specific situation becuase there is no detail. Just that they have been on strike for 1000 days.

but given the information I have been all I can think is: 1000 days?! Isn't that a bit excessive. Don't they think it's time to change tactics. Advertise for community support, get the governer involved, lobby the white house.

I don't know what these protestors are currently doing but 1000 days, or even 365 days, their tactic is not working!

This strike has been perpetuated by the use of nurses from a strike breaking agency whose specialty is staffing in hospitals duriing a strike. If the nurses had just taken a stand and gone out on strike immediately, (the hell with the 10 day notice), they would have left the hospital with their pants down, scrambling to take care of the patients that they had.

Unfortunatley, nurses have to be "nice" even when they are trying to take a stand for a new contract, and worry about every one but themselves. Nice guys finish last, and that is where nurses end up at contract time. State Nurses Associations do little to help the matters. They are too often supporters of the hospital administrators, and don't want to get them mad, God forbid. "Daddy" would not like that .

As it stands, until nurses put some teeth in their job actions, they will never get ahead. Nurses waited too late to unionize, when they would have more clout that they do in the anti union atmosphere in the US today. You snooze you lose! and nurse have lost big time.

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN

Spokane, Washington

Nancy2,

I'm one of those nurses on strike and like my hole 20 year career you prove your support as an RN by attacking the Teamsters. They have shown us more support and good will than you can imagine. Money, food, letters and they have even come from all over the country to walk the picket line with us. Instead of standing with us you would go somewhere else or do something else just because it doesn't effect you directly. I'm sure you've heard the saying nurses eat there young and there fellow nurses for that matter. Well remember to push yourself away from the table before you get too full. Maybe it should just be that Pt care was being compramised and nurses weren't being treated the way they should and they organized to do what's right.

Charles D. Ku

QUOTE=Nancy2]These things can happen when teamsters get involved with healthcare. It sounds like the nurses who have been working there during the strike are happy. They choose not to be represented by the union. I guess we'll just have to see how those challenged ballots shake out with the NLRB. I belive the law says that if you haven't been employed there for 12 months or more you are not eligable to vote, but I could be wrong. I'll have to go look that one up. The primary thing is, are the patients being cared for by competent people and are those people working there voluntarily?

By the way it is illegal to stop replacement workers from entering the workplace!

As long as nurses like Alpha13 are still around thinking that striking nurses should be fired, nurses with a belief in evidenced based practice with adequate compensation, including luxuries such as health insurance and pensions, will continue to have a tough row to hoe. I continue to be amazed that "nurses" would capitalize on a work stoppage to pad thier wallet. Nurses that do not believe they need an organized voice at their local, state and federal levels must have their heads in the sand, or else work for the world's best employers! I have found that nurses who stand for nothing, will fall for anything. I am sure we are all familiar with administrations who have their eye only on the "bottom line". We have experienced how receptive they are to changes that will benefit the patients, and or the nurses. Every nurses that stands on every picket line represents all nurses. By standing up and demanding respect, a decent wage, a voice in patient care decisions, and a safe work environment, these nurses speak for us all. I applaud their efforts and appreciate thier sacrifices! Nurses that voice opinions like Apla13 and nurses that cross picket lines weaken the position of all nurses and should be ashamed of themselves! :angryfire Kudos to the Michigan nurses- and Thank You! :balloons:

As long as nurses like Alpha13 are still around thinking that striking nurses should be fired, nurses with a belief in evidenced based practice with adequate compensation, including luxuries such as health insurance and pensions, will continue to have a tough row to hoe. I continue to be amazed that "nurses" would capitalize on a work stoppage to pad thier wallet. Nurses that do not believe they need an organized voice at their local, state and federal levels must have their heads in the sand, or else work for the world's best employers! I have found that nurses who stand for nothing, will fall for anything. I am sure we are all familiar with administrations who have their eye only on the "bottom line". We have experienced how receptive they are to changes that will benefit the patients, and or the nurses. Every nurses that stands on every picket line represents all nurses. By standing up and demanding respect, a decent wage, a voice in patient care decisions, and a safe work environment, these nurses speak for us all. I applaud their efforts and appreciate thier sacrifices! Nurses that voice opinions like Apla13 and nurses that cross picket lines weaken the position of all nurses and should be ashamed of themselves! :angryfire Kudos to the Michigan nurses- and Thank You! :balloons:

AMEN!!! Nurses will never be a profession with any clout because of attitudes like that. I have come to the conclusion that nurses are admitted to nursing school based on their stupidity, gullibleness, selfishness, and immaturity. Nothing else explains the behaviors of nurses the way they go about doing things like crossing picket lines, refusing to be supportive of their fellow nurses, allowing hospitals to abuse us as they do, go back for more, refuse to demand that we be paid a salary that reflects our education, expertise, contribution to health care, and the inconvenience to our lives and the lives of our families. They are content to settle for high school drop out wages and benefits. Just like abused wives. They refuse to help themselves, and fight others who do have the strength to stand up and fight. Those of us who fight, and believe that nurses deserve better, wonder why we leave bedside nursing. We get tired of fighting a brick wall. Forrest Gump said it best: "Stupid is as stupid does". And that, IMHO, explains the present state of nurses in this country.

LIndarn, RN, BSN, CCRN

Spokane, Washington

Nancy2,

I'm one of those nurses on strike and like my hole 20 year career you prove your support as an RN by attacking the Teamsters. They have shown us more support and good will than you can imagine. Money, food, letters and they have even come from all over the country to walk the picket line with us. Instead of standing with us you would go somewhere else or do something else just because it doesn't effect you directly. I'm sure you've heard the saying nurses eat there young and there fellow nurses for that matter. Well remember to push yourself away from the table before you get too full. Maybe it should just be that Pt care was being compramised and nurses weren't being treated the way they should and they organized to do what's right.

Charles D. Ku

QUOTE=Nancy2]These things can happen when teamsters get involved with healthcare. It sounds like the nurses who have been working there during the strike are happy. They choose not to be represented by the union. I guess we'll just have to see how those challenged ballots shake out with the NLRB. I belive the law says that if you haven't been employed there for 12 months or more you are not eligable to vote, but I could be wrong. I'll have to go look that one up. The primary thing is, are the patients being cared for by competent people and are those people working there voluntarily?

By the way it is illegal to stop replacement workers from entering the workplace!

I have been an RN for 21 years. I have been on many professional practice committees, I have precepted many new RNs, I have been published in nursing literature, I have been an advocate for another nurse during problem resolution with management and am always a patient advocate. I have had problems with management over the years, but have always found a way to resolve conflict without the "aide" of any union. I do not eat my young! However, I have witnessed Pro-union nurses calling new grads and other nurses that don't agree with them names like "stupid" just as some have in this thread. I find it interesting that some people get so defensive about this subject that they resort to name calling instead of dealing with the true pros and cons of affiliating with a union. Just as you can't convince a Democrat to be Republican, you can't convince someone who does not beleive in unions to start. We can however persuade new nurses, or nursees who've never had union exposure one way or the other. So, it remains curious to me that pro-union people would call those with opposing views degrading names.

I personally don't see the use for unions in healthcare. I have always been paid what I'm worth and what I ask for (within reason) RNs are a precious commodity and market determines the wage. The old "supply and demand". That is until my hospital went union a couple of years ago, the contract was negotiated and a wage scale was in the contract. The market then changed dramatically and we are not competetive with our market. The non union hospitals in our area pay more. I would leave, but am anxious to be a part of getting this union out of our hospital. Now that most see that this union contract is just a bunch of broken promises, they are ready to vote to go back to speaking for themselves and keeping that $100 a month in dues we are forced to pay whether we want the union or not. I wouldn't want to miss out on that experience. So I'll stay. Money is not everything!

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