Published Nov 23, 2003
TraumaNurse
612 Posts
I have noticed that most job postings list salaries as "excluding benefits". I have heard that the benefits can be substantial but what does that mean? What kind of benefits do CRNAs enjoy? Just curious.
Passin' Gas
149 Posts
This is by no means an all inclusive list, but a few things one needs to consider:
1. Liability Insurance (i.e. malpractice) depending on years in practice that can range from $1500 starting out to ~$10,000 (or more) for a 'mature' policy. Get named in a lawsuit? Goes up exponentially. And I mean named, not prosecuted.
2. health insurance. individual policy, relatively healthy, few, if any health problems, $300/month+/-. Got family? Pay lots more. Around the $500-600/month range. These are guesstimates based on recent encounters with the insurance industry.
3. Dental insurance. Anywhere from $10-50/month depending on coverage. Got family? Pay more.
4. Disability insurance. That's a tough one to put a figure on. If you have a group policy the employer pays for, the premiums are low but so will the payout be if you ever need to use it. Have your own policy, premiums can be anywhere from $100-$300/month (remember, these are guesstimates, CONSULT an RELIABLE insurance provider for accurate costs for your individual situation!).
5. Retirement plans. This is a huge category that I do not have the expertise nor the ability to condense the options into a posting here. When you are at the point to make these decisions, consult a RELIABLE financial consultant to ensure you are making the best decisions based on YOUR PARTICULAR situation. Do not listen to what your buddy suggested you do. Your situation may be entirely different and so will be the investing consequences.
6. Other things that cannot be easily price tagged:
call time, call pay, call back pay, travel time/distance reimbursement
freedom of scheduling
weekend rotations either via call or scheduling...get the straight answers before signing a contract
educational opportunities...monies available? time off? opportunities available within the facility?
Depending on the employment situation these factors will change in their priority/importance. If you're rural with another CRNA, you will be on call 182.5 days a year. period. Your partner will also be on call 182.5 days a year. Chance are, income will be substantial and the other considerations will be minimized.
If you are employed in a relatively large group of MDAs/CRNAs, the circumstances are different. Depending on the needs of the group/facility, you may be able to negotiate schedules regarding call &/or daily schedules (8 vs 12 vs 16 vs 24h shifts), areas of expertise (and dislike e.g. peds or neuro). I am not denigrating either of those areas, there are some practictitioners who would rather spend a day in the eye room than do the anesthesia for an AVM! But certainly check out who does what case when. Personally, I would rather do 4 very sick CV cases than spend 6 hours in the eye room...we all have our preferences!!
Bottom line underlining the bottom line is to make sure you and the facility/group you are hiring with are a 'good fit'. This is difficult to discern in an short interview with the chief CRNA, ask to 'hang out' in the lounge and talk with CRNAs on break, be sure to meet others in the department. It's been quite a while since I have been in an interview, some places will have you put on scrubs and go through the ORs, take advantage of this! Listen to the comments by the surgeons, OR nurses, anesthesia techs, scrub techs....
To answer the orginal question regarding salaries listed as excluding benefits...add up the above and subtract that from the salary.
Let's crunch a few hypothetical numbers:
Malpractice insurance $10,000
Health insurance $600 X 12 7,200
Dental ins $50 X 12 600
Disability ins $300 X 12 3600
Retirement acct 15% of $200,000
30,000
Total benefit 51,400
Total income of $200,000 - 51,400 = $148,600
I haven't accounted for Uncle Sam's cut on this....
Wherever you seek employment be sure to compare apples to apples and realize when apples are being compared to bananas
Most importantly, make sure you and the work environment are 'a good fit'. Few bucks less a month may be well worth looking forward to going to work in the morning.
PilotJim68
145 Posts
I copied this from gaswork.com....To me, this is one of the best deals I have found yet. I really dont know what a good deal is but I have been looking in this state and this seems to be one of the best all around deals that I have found...anyone see any flaws with this deal??? Most of the jobs I have seen on this site do not allow the CRNA to hardly anything and this job allows almost everything and a bigger salary to boot. Actually one of you may want to apply for this position, I would if I were a CRNA already because my family lives in West Palm and I love the beach and all...it would be the perfect place for me...I hope there are opportunities like this if I ever make it to and through CRNA school...check it out ...........
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Tue, Oct 14, 2003 Last Updated:
Sun, Nov 23, 2003
Contact Information Job Information and Duties Job Requirements Salary & Income Information Hospital Information Other
Contact Information
Posted by agency? Agency
Agency Name MD Hire
Agency's internal Job ID Number for this position 101403
Name of contact person Shari Hinton
Contact's mailing address 3428 N. GREEN ROAD
Contact City OAK HARBOR
Contact State Washington
Contact Zip 98277
Contact Country United States
Contact Voice Phone 877-463-4473
Contact Fax 360-240-8239
Contact Web Site http://www.mdhire.com or [email protected]
Primary Contact No Preference
Job Information and Duties
Duration of Position Permanent
Start Date Tue, Oct 14, 2003 (Estimated)
Number of CRNAs needed 2
Is this a Chief CRNA position? No
Will the CRNA be doing Chronic Pain Management? Rare
Will CRNA be doing Cardiothoracic anesthesia? Sometimes
Will CRNA be doing Obstetric anesthesia? Usually
Will CRNA be doing Pediatric anesthesia? Sometimes
Will CRNA be doing Neuroanesthesia? Sometimes
Will CRNA be doing Trauma anesthesia? Sometimes
Will CRNA be doing Critical care (ICU)? Sometimes
Will CRNA be doing Anesthesia for outpatient surgery? Sometimes
Number of Full-time anesthesiologists 5
Number of Part-time anesthesiologists 0
Number of Full-time CRNAs 3
Number of Part-time CRNAs 0
Number of Anesthesiologist's Assistants (AAs) 0
Number of Anesthesia technicians 0
How often will CRNA be on call? Every FIFTH night call
Will CRNA have day off after call? Always
What percentage of the time will the CRNA be Medically Directed by an anesthesiologist? 100%
If the CRNA will be Medically Directed by an Anesthesiologist, who administers the induction agents? Sometimes CRNA, Sometimes anesthesiologist
Will CRNA insert Central Venous catheters? Always
Will CRNA insert arterial catheters? Always
Will CRNA insert lumbar epidural catheters? Always
Will CRNA administer spinal anesthesia? Always
Will CRNA administer Axillary Brachial Plexus Blocks? Always
Will CRNA administer other regional anesthesia blocks? Always
Will CRNA be a hospital employee? No
Will CRNA be an Anesthesia Group employee? Yes
Job Requirements
Subspecialty Fellowship Required? No
AANA Certified required? Yes
Is it acceptable to be "In the AANA examination process"? Yes
Is it acceptable to be "Neither AANA Certified nor in the examining process?" No
Is a current ACLS card required? Yes
Is a current PALS card required? Negotiable
Salary & Income Information
Estimated Starting yearly income for a CRNA graduate with five or more years of experience working full time? (Income excluding benefits) $130,001 - $140,000
Estimated Maximum Yearly Income for a new CRNA graduate working full time? (Income excluding benefits) $110,001 - $120,000
Amount of Sign-on Bonus $5,000
Sign-on Bonus commitment Other
Other: Negotiable
Does this job provide Salary Income? Yes
Does this job provide time and 1/2 pay for hours greater than 40 in a week? Yes
Weeks Paid Educational Leave 1 week
Weeks Paid Vacation 5 weeks
Medical Insurance Paid? Yes
Disability Insurance Paid? Yes
Retirement Plan Paid? Yes
Will Interview Expenses be Paid? Yes
Does this job provide Percentage Income? Negotiable
Does this job provide Income as a partner in a group practice? Negotiable
Does this job provide Income from fee-for-service individual practice? No
Does this job provide Other Income from Hospital as an employee? No
Hospital Information
Name of Anesthesia Group West Palm, Work 4 or 5 days a week & Limited call!
Group City West Palm Beach
Group State Florida
Group Country United States
Does Anesthesia Group have an exclusive contract with hospital? Yes
Why is the group needing more CRNAs? Expansion
Is practice limited to one hospital or involves several hospitals? One Hospital
Practice involves a Surgery Center? Yes
Practice involves Office Based Anesthesia? No
Is there an Approved Physician residency program? Yes
Is there Anesthesia training for Physician house staff? Yes
Is there a CRNA training program? No
Is there an Anesthesiologist Assistant training program? No
Other
Name of reference person Shari Hinton
Reference's email address [email protected]
Reference's phone number 877-463-4473
Other comments about this job or geographical area
JOB # 101403
TITLE: 47 Miles of White Sandy Beaches, West Palm and limited call!
POSITION: Two CRNAs are needed to join a private practice in West Palm Beach. You will join 5 Anesthesiologists and three CRNAs and have a great deal of autonomy. You will provide care for all type of anesthesia except heads. You will have a call schedule of once a week and only work 40 hours a week. You can pick from two schedules: work 5 days for 8 hours each day or work for 4 days at 10 hours each day. In addition, you will provide care only at one hospital.
Your benefits include a signing bonus, paid CME, 5 weeks paid vacation, health insurance, malpractice, 401K program, and other benefits. And best yet, your schedule gives you the opportunity to truly enjoy coastal living!
Come to West Palm Beach, Florida and enjoy mild tropical temperatures all year-round. We celebrate our great weather with weekly outdoor greenmarkets, jazz concerts, nature walks and family events. Indoors or outdoors, family fun, cultural adventure, water sports, educational or purely entertainment - the County is rich in opportunities to explore and engage in.
With over 47 miles of white sandy beaches, We are an ideal playground for water sports. Water temperatures are comfortable year-round in our subtropical climate.
For boating enthusiasts, many marinas along the Intracoastal Waterway and Atlantic Ocean inlets offer powerboat and sailboat rentals. If you want a more active water sport, there's water-skiing, windsurfing, kayaking, and parasailing. The gulf stream offers a wide variety of deep sea fishing. Charter boats are available along the coast for half-day, full-day and nighttime trips.
A variety of cruising options are also available from water taxis to catamaran ocean adventures, or coastal entertainment cruises featuring casinos, dining and live entertainment.
With an annual average temperature of 78° F, the County is a great place to enjoy outdoor activities. With more than 160 golf courses, we are fully registered as Florida's Golf Capital, offering resort courses, golf schools and academies, daily fee courses and plenty of diversity for every level of golfer.
Tennis can be played year-round, with over 1,100 tennis courts, from resort tennis instruction to the world-class Chris Evert Tennis Academy. There are plenty of outdoor activities for everyone to enjoy from boating and diving, to spectator sports such as spring training baseball and equestrian sports.
More than 40 cultural venues, 2,000 restaurants, and an array of nightlife make the County a top entertainment destination. Shopping is at a world-class level, from historical shopping districts to two-tiered glass malls.
CONTACT MD HIRE
Shari Hinton
Phone Number: 877-463-4473
Fax Number: 360-240-8239
Email Address: [email protected]
Web Address: http://www.mdhire.com
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