do the correctionals hire new grads? - page 2

its really tough to get in in a hospital so maybe ill try to be a nurse in the correctionals?... Read More

  1. by   tirzo13
    i grew up in the streets, so i got alot of street smarts, and street cred. if you grow up in the burbs, its going to be really hard to make it. Even with knowing how to handle and carry yourself, knowing how to give respect, knowing how to earn respect does not keep things from happening to you in this environment.
    you can handle getting punched or urine thrown on you better, but does not keep it from happening to you.
    I been spit on and threatened, i have had shot callers look out for me, some requested favors that they did not get, some did it because the last nurse they had did not even say "whats up" to them.
    but still, some guys won't even listen to the shot callers.
    so you have to weigh the risks.

    increase in pay, different but less physical work then hospitals (don't want people yelling at me for saying its easier!!!!), helping murders and rapist vs helping victims, getting body fluids and assaulted vs. whatever is the worse that can happen to you at a hospital.

    I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but there is good and bad in everything.
    i myself would rather know what the bad is.

    if you date a man or women, don't you want to know the bad things about them. thats what is going to hurt you, the good should be a given.
    I myself want full disclosure about things, not just sugar coated.
  2. by   Akasha85
    I am not sugar coating it. If it is something you really want to do then by all means do it. They have nothing but time to think of things to get your information, and follow your routine. If this is what you want good luck to you. Just have eyes and ears open. good luck with what ever you do.
  3. by   LH19rn
    tirzo13 I have been reading all your posts on correctional nursing and was initially interested due to the pay. However being a female re entry nurse I was also very intimidated. In one of your posts you mention the Yountville veterans home and your interest in working for the veterans. Are you working there now? I have been working at a blood bank for the past three years and have no acute care experience besides dialysis for 8months, five years ago and a few months of maternity nursing as a new grad. I have worked in a nursing home as a CNA and it was really hard work but I enjoyed helping the elderly. Do you think the Yountville veterans home would be willing to train new grads or re entry nurses? If you got a job there how long did they orient you? How is the working environment. Your response is greatly appreciated. I am searching for a good place to get a good foundation in acute care nursing. I am in Los Angeles but I would be willing to relocate.
  4. by   kgregg
    is your friend an LPN or a RN? 85k u say? wow!
  5. by   tirzo13
    Quote from kgregg
    is your friend an LPN or a RN? 85k u say? wow!
    New grad RN at San Quintin gets 8500+ a month.
    state pay for RN is great. As is LPT pay.
    State pay for LVN is very low.
  6. by   tirzo13
    Quote from swtchksrn
    tirzo13 I have been reading all your posts on correctional nursing and was initially interested due to the pay. However being a female re entry nurse I was also very intimidated. In one of your posts you mention the Yountville veterans home and your interest in working for the veterans. Are you working there now? I have been working at a blood bank for the past three years and have no acute care experience besides dialysis for 8months, five years ago and a few months of maternity nursing as a new grad. I have worked in a nursing home as a CNA and it was really hard work but I enjoyed helping the elderly. Do you think the Yountville veterans home would be willing to train new grads or re entry nurses? If you got a job there how long did they orient you? How is the working environment. Your response is greatly appreciated. I am searching for a good place to get a good foundation in acute care nursing. I am in Los Angeles but I would be willing to relocate.
    I don't want to make up someone's mind for them, i just feel people should hear all sides so they don't waste time.
    people say they love working in the prison.
    I worked in 3, never found anyone who loved it.
    People who say they love it, i ask this question. "if prison pay was less then outside hospital's and the workload was equal, would you still work the prison?"
    that to me is an indication of "LOVE", you do it no matter what.
    Prison's pay more for a reason, even though the work is alot easier (just different challenges).

    Prison is a whole lot safer then the State Mental Hospitals.
    State Mental Hospitals really should not be called Hospitals, they are lower security prisons without officers. Many of the guys just had a little bit more money to get better lawyers.
    If you are in LA, there is a Veterans HOme in Lancaster, one in San Diego, i think Barstow and I think Oxnard or Ventura. None are nearly as big as YOuntville though.
    There is also a state DDS home in Norwalk, but they never hire.

    to answer your question, I interviewed at Yountville, but they wanted me for nights. My girl at that time worked days, so i said no, even though i prefer nights, i wanted to spend time with my girl on her schedule.
    San Diego calls me a couple times a year, but i have not interviewed with them.

    The people i know that worked there compared to NAPA state hospital prefer Yountville, but its hard to get days there they say. Napa i got days in 2 months.
    I had a good gig in Napa, 12 hour shifts, days, kick butt boss that gave me time off when ever i wanted, but stupid me resigned.
    Im waiting on the VA hospitals in the state. Alot more vacation days a year. Retirement may not be as good, hard to understand VA retirement. State retirement is pretty clear.

    Again, not telling you not to work at a prison, just giving people the truth.
    try working for them thru a registry, you can quit if you don't like it. Alot of registry and state hires do.

    Here is the crazy thing.
    yeah the state may lay off alot of prison employee's. but you know what they do, they fill those positions with registry people, that actually cost more. Yeah, its stupid.
  7. by   kgregg
    I have a friend who moved to Los Angeles as a CNA in 2006 she was makin 22/hr can someone tell me what LPN's are making in that area? I know for a fact that LPN's in NY (Westchester County) are making 25/hr fresh outta Nursing School?

    Can ANYONE tell me the diff between gettin an LPN from a BOCES/Technical skool where u can get the LPN in 9 mos...oppose to going to a Comm Coll for 18 mos


    Thank you
    OH! Do you folks suggest becoming a CNA first? Before pursuing an LPN lic having confused thoughts
  8. by   mochabean
    Interesting thread. Correctional nursing is definetly NOT for me!!!
  9. by   ABK-RN
    Oregon hires new grads... but this job is not for the faint of heart... there are a lot of ethical internal battles about the type, quality, patients, and understanding you are willing to put your RN profession through. You MUST have a passion for helping the type of patient who most people feel are undeserving & withstand the criticism from colleges not in your specialty. I know cause I work at the Multnomah County Justice Center. Good luck.
  10. by   mariahas4kids
    I am a corrections nurse in Washington State. They do hire new grads, but they pay, on the average, $10.00/hr less than hospitals. I do like what I do. I work in a minimun security work camp. We train the inmates in forestry and forest fire fighting among other things. I have never been attacked, had anything thrown on me. Most of the inmates are very respectful to me. I made my boundries very clear from day one. Firm, Fair and Consistant is what we live by. I do have a rule, if it is between the waist and the knees, the PA ( a male) sees them. I have only had to break my rule twice - he was on vacation and I handled sick call by myself. Very rarely do I have a officer in the office with me, there is one posted outside the office an is available if I need him, but I never have.
    Corrections nursing is never boring. Our office is like a cross between and urgent care, a primary care and an emergency room.
    Ask for a tour of a facility you are thinking about applying at, talk to the nurses and the providers. You may be suprised at what you find.
  11. by   MadisonsMomRN
    I am not really sure. I have worked in a prison and a jail... the jail doesn't hire new grads. You need some med surg experience to get a job there.

    Its not easy... trauma can happen at any time.
  12. by   JDCitizen
    Here in Georgia its almost like: Degree + warm body = job

    Mutiple levels of prisons here:
    Medical prison
    Closest thing I can call one prison is nursing home for prisoners
    Minimum
    Medium
    Maximum
    Parole Detention centers
    State run
    Private run
    Federal

    Medium and maximum probably will have a good mix of mental health patients
    Level one = no mental health
    Level two = mental health (for better description on mental health doing good)
    Level three = Have there own dorms and are escorted by security wherever they go.
    Level four = Very unstable. Usually in a CSU as ASU room with frequent checks.

    Hospital Nursing: One takes care of prisoners and don't think that guard may be of much help... Hospital Nursing: The people who come and go are not controlled or searched. Hospital Nursing: Is that patient a recent release from prison, mental health, is he/she a murder. Hospital Nursing: Even in time of universal precautions do you know if the patient has HIV, etc...

    Prison Nursing: One takes care of prisoners and don't think that guard may be of much help, but I know that in less than three minutes the blue and gray squads can be on the scene in force. Prison Nursing: The people who come and go are controlled and can be searched. Prison Nursing: Is that patient a recent release from prison (probably and just had to come back), mental health (probably and well documented) , is he/she a murder (could be and easy to discover if one wants to). Prison Nursing: Even in time of universal precautions do you know if the patient has HIV, etc. We know because they are screened by blood work when they come in and we probably re-screen more aggressively than any outside health care arena.

    Prison Nursing is not all roses and its not all thrones. Hospital Nursing is not all roses and its not all thrones. The prison nurse that was attacked by an inmate probably did not expect it. The hospital nurse shot by a family member probably did not expect it.

    Perspective.
  13. by   navvet
    Something to add to this post. Not all Prisons or Dentention centers are like what is stated above. Some of these things may go on in the facilities that these people have worked at and experienced. Not ALL are like what is described. All depends on where you work.

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