Sympathy strike...would you do it?? - page 2
I belong to a very strong union who is very opinionated. I don't always agree with their stance on things. There is another union who is striking for possible benefit take-aways...I don't know the... Read More
Aug 31, '11From: US ; Joined: Jul '11; Posts: 9,737; Likes: 20,696Quote from caroladybelleonly a post or two in and someone kicks in the godwin's law effect.
[font="trebuchet ms"]i believe that there is more than a bit of difference between nazi genocide and a sympathy strike. i suspect that the families of the 9 million murdered would agree.
Aug 31, '11Joined: Jul '10; Posts: 1,684; Likes: 2,516Well ... I've always been a member of a union. I would go to work if scheduled and strike with them if off. In the end you need to cover your own back. The unions are getting a bad rap right now and soon, when there are none, we shall all grieve together in the bread lines ... but at least we'll be together.
Aug 31, '11Joined: Jul '10; Posts: 53; Likes: 116My intent was not to trivialize anything or anyone- I apologize if it was perceived that way. But let's not lose focus here; if the other place doesn't succeed... your 'ideal work place' won't be so for much longer.
Aug 31, '11Joined: Aug '10; Posts: 7,236; Likes: 27,964Quote from dthfytrAnd look how the Nazis turned out in the end. Or did WWII end differently from what I was taught?Those scheduled for work should work, the others can picket with the other union. The problem with organisations is they put their own survival ahead of that of thier members.
Keep in mind that The Pilgrims weren't team players. The Nazis were.
I'm not sure I understand your example.
OP, you're east of the rock and west of the hard place. I'm not sure what I would do.
Aug 31, '11Joined: Feb '10; Posts: 1,768; Likes: 3,909Absolutely not. Never. Unconscionable.
Disclaimer: I would never belong to or support a union of any kind.
Aug 31, '11Joined: Sep '05; Posts: 1,193; Likes: 2,896My Pilgrim/Nazi reference was to encourage individual thought. Overall I'm pro-union, but have been talked to by union reps for doing a job too well, making it difficult for other dues paying union members. The OP was looking for suggestion and opinions and I gave him the best I could offer. Had no intention of offending anybody.
Sep 1, '11Joined: Apr '11; Posts: 616; Likes: 910Quote from FutterwackenpowerfulFirst they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Sep 1, '11Occupation: Nurse Specialty: Spinal Cord injuries, Emergency+EMS ; From: UK ; Joined: Feb '07; Posts: 1,051; Likes: 523first it depends on the legality of 'sympathy strikes' and associated activities including secondary and 'flying' pickets - some places make these illegal and secondary action leaves you wide open to action by your own employer and even the involvement of the security services and the bandying about of terms like 'domestic terrorist'
second if sympathy actions are legal where you are , surely your union should vote on whether to strike -same as if you were striking for a 'primary' reason ...
Sep 1, '11Joined: Apr '03; Posts: 579; Likes: 398If I had the day off, I would consider standing with the strikers. If I felt the company in question were being unfair, I would not use their services or product. I would not screw my current employer, co-workers, and patients by not showing up if I were scheduled that day.
Your union's job is to obtain & enforce a contract that protects your rights in exchange for your union dues. They've done their job by getting a decent contract, you do your part by paying dues. Your employer expects that by agreeing to certain concessions, they should in return have workers that show up when scheduled.
If the hospital has done their part and follows the contract and they still feel that they may have to deal with employees not showing up due to a strike, I doubt your next labor agreement will be so cushy.
Sep 1, '11Joined: Feb '07; Posts: 1,113; Likes: 3,398Quote from caroladybelleAs one of those families I am going to thank you for saying this.Only a post or two in and someone kicks in the Godwin's law effect.
I believe that there is more than a bit of difference between Nazi genocide and a sympathy strike. I suspect that the families of the 9 million murdered would agree.
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Quote from caroladybelleonly a post or two in and someone kicks in the godwin's law effect.
i believe that there is more than a bit of difference between nazi genocide and a sympathy strike. i suspect that the families of the 9 million murdered would agree.Quote from xtxrnthank youQuote from mazyas one of those families i am going to thank you for saying this.Quote from heronthere's no denying the reality and the profound evil of the holocaust. there's also no denying the truth of another cliche: those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.it may follow godwin's law, but in this case it's legit ... and that's not trivializng the holocaust in any way.
the creation of scapegoats and the abandonment of the "other" to preserve one's own security were two of the root causes of that atrocity ... and no one can tell me that those dynamics aren't at work in the world now.
the point of the quotation that offended some posters is that, if you are not willing to support another's struggle, don't look for support for yours ... because, depend on it, your time will come.
Sep 1, '11Occupation: RN Specialty: Med Surg - Renal ; From: US ; Joined: May '11; Posts: 1,442; Likes: 3,000Quote from notachargenurseI also belong to a very strong union with an excellent contract and have some of the same issues you do with my union. A sympathy strike like you mention would definitely violate my union's contract and to my knowledge, they never ask anyone to do something like this.What would you do? I am thankful I have a job in this economy!
If my union votes to go on strike, I go on strike. Support your colleagues all you can, but I'm not going on any ad-hoc strike. Ever.