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I wanted to post this question under the thread which contained the objection form (taking an assignment and filling out a form, aka Safe Harbor), but did not want to hijack their thread.

I want to know more about unions. Where I work, it is an "at will employer", meaning they may fire you with or without reason. Do unions protect you from this?

If anyone has any feedback, another question I have is this: Does anyone know if union based facilities have better retention of nurses?

Right now at work, there is a huge drop in morale, as administration stated to the nurses when corporate people were in , "When corporate is here, they are right. You are wrong. Shut your mouth." This came about after a condescending woman in a suit was watching me do my med pass and juggle an admit, then have one brought to my floor (without my knowledge). I simply stated to this woman, "Communication could be better here; If I'd known I had this other admit coming, this could be prevented." (referring to her negative comments and raising her voice about our attending being unprofessional and in a hurry and just 'horrid' to the patient caregiver).

Anyway, the long and short of it, I was given a final written warning, stating that if I break any company policy I am immediately terminated. Because, "You are NOT to talk to other people about our problems. You do NOT talk to corporate. You refer them to ME." ("me" is the administrator who cornered me in the kitchen).

I still have refused to sign the write-up. She says that what I did was unprofessional. (Umm...I didn't yell. I didn't REFUSE the assignment; I simply stated that advance notification would have been helpful). Imagine a woman and a man coming to you; man with huge wound on face standing in front of you. Woman starts asking you about how to treat it. (And you are in the middle of giving meds, and a new admit, and you wonder who these people are and why they are asking you medical advice).

And this condescending corporate individual (who I didn't know was corporate) informs you that this is a new admit to your hall, and stated in a loud voice, "Don't you tell me you didn't know about this admit. The person sitting right here in this chair---as she's tapping gruffly on the chair with her ink pen---took this message!"

Bottom line: I did NOT doing anything wrong. Well, I guess I did. I wasn't a good Stepford Nurse and cheerfully say, "Oh, so glad you are here. How may I help you?"

I didn't have a right to feel under pressure? They get angry with us for overtime, but two admits plus medicare charting on 17 people, and all the other redundant forms they need us to fill out before we leave....isn't that enough already?

I witnessed the administrator call our unit, get the social worker on the phone and, in front of all of us, instruct the maintenance man to "Shut up and quit complaining and just move these people" when we made several room changes and maintenance man was overwhelmed.

I'm not kidding here..."Shut up." "Shut your mouth." These are ver batim words we are told.

So the point of my vent is this: Would a union shelter/protect its employees from these bogus write-ups and mistreatment?

Any thoughts?

Thanks for your time

Emma

Specializes in Psych , Peds ,Nicu.
Also, I was reading about how the AFL-CIO and Catholic healthcare facilities made an agreement to make organizing drives more civilized. It looks like it would take a lot of the stress out of it.

Unfortunately these type of agreements are misrepresented by anti union groups as sweet heart deals / corporate unionization , as was recently done in Hahnemann Hospital , PA, where the agreement between Tenet and the Union to allow PASNAP to attempt to organize was portrayed as corporate Unionization.

Yeah.....I've heard about some of the "sweetheart" deals...usually involving a union that wasn't so great at representing their members. I was always surprised at how Catholic healthcare facilities fought their employees' attempts to form unions. The Catholic church is very pro-worker/pro-union. Hopefully, this agreement will allow workers at these facilities to exercise their rights without as much stress as a typical campaign. Some companies (very few) have a very clear non-interference policy when it comes to unionizing. It's a choice for the workers to make. The choice should be able to be made and debated without all the threats and fear that are so common today.

Specializes in Psych , Peds ,Nicu.
Some companies (very few) have a very clear non-interference policy when it comes to unionizing. It's a choice for the workers to make. The choice should be able to be made and debated without all the threats and fear that are so common today.

I wish this type of thing was more common , but unfortunately , this country is so polarized politically , it appears difficult for anyone to debate anything without political dogma rearing it's ugly head .

Unfortunately Americans seem to have lost the ability to debate without rancour , they do not debate , they make preconcieved speeches , without taking any regard to the points their opponents make .To see real , vigorous debates watch Prime Ministers question time or a parliamentary session on C Span.

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The SEIU has once again made the news for "members" being arrested for assaulting attendees at a health care town hall in St. Louis. This is how the SEIU deals with "opposition" (anyone who doesn't agree with them). This is what they are about. They aren't a union, they are a "rent-a-mob". They pulled this same baloney with the CNA/NNOC.

The SEIU has once again made the news for "members" being arrested for assaulting attendees at a health care town hall in St. Louis. This is how the SEIU deals with "opposition" (anyone who doesn't agree with them). This is what they are about. They aren't a union, they are a "rent-a-mob". They pulled this same baloney with the CNA/NNOC.

While I'm not a big fan of SEIU and SEIU does have a history of this sort of thing - I was present at the meeting you refer to when they tried to bust into a union conference to shut down a speech by a CNA leader - I have a feeling this one in particular may be a bad rap. The version of this that I heard is that a bunch of very ill-informed folks came to the townhall with the intention of shouting down the speaker and making the meeting impossible to hold. When the building had reached its fire code rated capacity and the doors were closed to stop more from getting in, some of those folks tried to force their way in. SEIU (and other union) members were manning the doors and stopped them and they claimed to have been assaulted. From the videos I've seen it looked like the assaulting may have been on the other side - this time.

Specializes in He who hesitates is probably right....
While I'm not a big fan of SEIU and SEIU does have a history of this sort of thing - I was present at the meeting you refer to when they tried to bust into a union conference to shut down a speech by a CNA leader - I have a feeling this one in particular may be a bad rap. The version of this that I heard is that a bunch of very ill-informed folks came to the townhall with the intention of shouting down the speaker and making the meeting impossible to hold. When the building had reached its fire code rated capacity and the doors were closed to stop more from getting in, some of those folks tried to force their way in. SEIU (and other union) members were manning the doors and stopped them and they claimed to have been assaulted. From the videos I've seen it looked like the assaulting may have been on the other side - this time.

I hope you are right. I attended a town hall near my home and saw several groups of folks with SEIU 1199P t-shirts on (my local), and didn't recognize any of them. I wondered out loud if any of them were RNs. They just walked away. BTW, none of them got in, the town hall was capped at 250. Pretty small town, eh?

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