My CRNA friends do illegal drugs - page 8

Two of my friends who are CRNA's take recreational ecstasy almost every weekend. They will take it on Saturday night...stay up all night....and then try to sleep it off on Sunday. When Monday... Read More

  1. by   flowechild
    I think if you know for sure that your friends are using illegal drugs it is your responsiblity to tell someone. You can make a complaint to the BON without revealing who you are. This is unacceptable in the nursing profession and you always have to think about patient safety first. It doesnt matter when they are doing drugs the point is that they are taking illegal substances and this is wrong. You have to put yourself in that patients place and you know you would not want them taking care of you. So what if they have been to school for 2 stressful years obviously it doesnt mean that much to them because they are being irresponsible.
  2. by   jeroboam
    Quote from kaeri
    i believe you should not report them. it may be that the substance is illegal - but so is under-age drinking/drink-driving/homosexuality/ smoking pot etc.they are not using mdma the night prior to their shift.
    dont meddle - the chance of them making a mistake is less than the person who was on an alcohol soaked bender until 1 am monday morning. or smoked pot last evening. marijuana has a much longer half-life and 1 joint/bong can stay in the adipose tissue for 48-72hrs. i've seen +ve results 6 - 8 weeks after last joint.

    why do you think they would make a mistake? because they are sleep-deprived? because they have a small amount of stimulant in their blood stream? because they are doing something illegal?

    i think your reasoning is specious and you may need to look at why you have the urge to report someone. we seem to have become a society of do-gooders where we need to be recognised for how many negative behaviours we can report to the authorities. perhaps the status of fear which our govts have induced us to live in has heightened our need for reassurance from a paternalistic figure-head. like in grade 1 when your teacher thanks you for reporting britney for chewing gum and later gives you a lollypop when you report kevin for writing on his arm. "miss, i was worried that he might get ink poisoning." "yes, thank you goody, we need to watch those 2 - they will be a bad influence and they will make many mistakes. here's a lollypop for you and you be my eyes and ears."

    cheers
    kaeri
    well, perhaps you, being from australia, are unaware, but consensual homosexual conduct between adults is not illegal anywhere in the united states. and sexual conduct doesn't impair one's mental status, but drug use certainly does, both during and after use.

    further, certain conduct (namely, that conduct which endangers others) should be, and is, within the purview of government. perhaps you're an anarchist, perhaps not, but most people that i know want the government to protect them from people who are dangerous, and ecstasy users whose day job is anesthesia are just that: dangerous.

    and by the way, as someone who is slightly to the left of ted kennedy, i'm all for personal freedom and civil liberties... except when it comes to issues like this. if you want to live in the outback and take ecstasy, god bless you. when you do so, and then expect to be putting me under for my surgery in alice springs the next day... no, i don't think so. in that case, you should lose your license.

    and that brings me to this: a license from the government to engage in a specialized occupation is a privilege, not a right. when you violate the requirements for maintaining that privilege, you lose your license. we don't care if the kid at mcdonalds used ecstasy last night, because his cash register is preprogrammed to give the correct change. at the worst, i may get someone else's order in my bag. but we do care about airline pilots, and doctors, and nurses, and bus drivers, and child care workers, etc.

    i'll repeat my advice: report these women.
  3. by   Doog
    Quote from kaeri
    i believe you should not report them. it may be that the substance is illegal - but so is under-age drinking/drink-driving/homosexuality/ smoking pot etc.they are not using mdma the night prior to their shift.
    dont meddle - the chance of them making a mistake is less than the person who was on an alcohol soaked bender until 1 am monday morning. or smoked pot last evening. marijuana has a much longer half-life and 1 joint/bong can stay in the adipose tissue for 48-72hrs. i've seen +ve results 6 - 8 weeks after last joint.

    why do you think they would make a mistake? because they are sleep-deprived? because they have a small amount of stimulant in their blood stream? because they are doing something illegal?

    i think your reasoning is specious and you may need to look at why you have the urge to report someone. we seem to have become a society of do-gooders where we need to be recognised for how many negative behaviours we can report to the authorities. perhaps the status of fear which our govts have induced us to live in has heightened our need for reassurance from a paternalistic figure-head. like in grade 1 when your teacher thanks you for reporting britney for chewing gum and later gives you a lollypop when you report kevin for writing on his arm. "miss, i was worried that he might get ink poisoning." "yes, thank you goody, we need to watch those 2 - they will be a bad influence and they will make many mistakes. here's a lollypop for you and you be my eyes and ears."

    cheers
    kaeri

    being a professional means being held to a higher standard, whether we liked or not. the public expects us to take the high road, and our patients lives depend on it. whether this drug use is recreational or not, it is still not the appropriate behavior of a professional. another phrase that comes to mind is if your willing to do the crime, then be prepared to do the time. these individuals should be reported.
  4. by   BSNin2007
    RN/BSN/JD/ESQ
    Thank goodness for your conviction. I am seriously worried that I may receive medical care from some of the respondents to this thread. Some of these people are defending the actions of the alleged users so voraciously one may begin to question their motives.
  5. by   jeroboam
    BSNin2007: I hear ya. I think the only solution is to have periodic randomized drug testing, on the spot.

    My thinking about this has evolved over the years. Without getting into a much larger debate, I'll say that I don't believe such testing is necessary for college athletes, or government bean counters, or auto mechanics. But I'll gladly pee in a cup for my employer anytime it asks me to. They pay me well, and treat me well, and the least I can do is to show up unimpaired so that I won't kill or injure their patients.

    As for fearing treatment by a drugged-up medical provider, all I can say is: I'm VERY careful about who takes care of me. You should be as well.
  6. by   dfk
    Quote from RN/BSN/JD/ESQ
    BSNin2007: I hear ya. I think the only solution is to have periodic randomized drug testing, on the spot.

    My thinking about this has evolved over the years. Without getting into a much larger debate, I'll say that I don't believe such testing is necessary for college athletes, or government bean counters, or auto mechanics. But I'll gladly pee in a cup for my employer anytime it asks me to. They pay me well, and treat me well, and the least I can do is to show up unimpaired so that I won't kill or injure their patients.

    As for fearing treatment by a drugged-up medical provider, all I can say is: I'm VERY careful about who takes care of me. You should be as well.
    i'm all for what you have said thus far. and i agree completely with your previous statements. what i am about to say is not proactive of users. you say you are VERY careful about who takes care of you. i fully believe that you are. but, i don't care who you are (meaning anyone), no one person is able to tell everything about anyone. what i mean is that the worst addict can be the best liar, both physically and verbally. now, don't get me wrong, this is not a blanket statemet, but trust me, people can get burned by the best of them. what i'm trying to say is one REALLY never truly knows, at best, all the time...
  7. by   BSNin2007
    DKF,
    I think most of us,including yourself, know that users and addicts, in particular, can be the BEST liars and manipulators. I also believe if you work side by side with someone long enough, especially if you are a medical professional there should be some indicators. So as a patient who is receiving medical treatment from someone for the first time you may not have a clear indication if that person uses, but I'd bet a dime to a dollar someone they work with does.
  8. by   jeroboam
    I agree completely. One can never be certain about anyone or anything. However, making the proper inquiries to the right people regarding a provider can lessen one's chance of having an incident of medical error. As health care workers, we're in a better position than anyone else to make sure inquiries ourselves. I had surgery a few years ago; you can be sure that I hand-selected the guy who put me under.
  9. by   scaredofshots
    OMG I'd report them. What are you gona do when something bad happens...Blame yourself... Will you be able to look at yourself in the mirror after their funeral... Something to think about...
  10. by   augigi
    Quote from RN/BSN/JD/ESQ
    Well, perhaps you, being from Australia, are unaware, but consensual homosexual conduct between adults is not illegal anywhere in the United States. And sexual conduct doesn't impair one's mental status, but drug use certainly does, both during and after use.

    Further, certain conduct (namely, that conduct which endangers others) should be, and is, within the purview of government. Perhaps you're an anarchist, perhaps not, but most people that I know want the government to protect them from people who are dangerous, and Ecstasy users whose day job is anesthesia are just that: dangerous.

    And by the way, as someone who is slightly to the left of Ted Kennedy, I'm all for personal freedom and civil liberties... except when it comes to issues like this. If you want to live in the Outback and take Ecstasy, god bless you. When you do so, and then expect to be putting me under for my surgery in Alice Springs the next day... no, I don't think so. In that case, you should lose your license.

    And that brings me to this: a license from the government to engage in a specialized occupation is a PRIVILEGE, not a right. When you violate the requirements for maintaining that privilege, you lose your license. We don't care if the kid at McDonalds used Ecstasy last night, because his cash register is preprogrammed to give the correct change. At the worst, I may get someone else's order in my bag. But we do care about airline pilots, and doctors, and nurses, and bus drivers, and child care workers, etc.

    I'll repeat my advice: report these women.
    I think she said "underage" which would imply it was not between consenting adults.

    I happen to agree with you, although I don't appreciate the implication that Australians are ignorant fools sitting in the "outback". Personally, I live in a city of ~5 million, and have the same access to news that you do.
  11. by   BSNin2007
    "originally posted by kaeri
    i believe you should not report them. it may be that the substance is illegal - but so is under-age drinking/drink-driving/homosexuality/ smoking pot etc.they are not using mdma the night prior to their shift.
    dont meddle - the chance of them making a mistake is less than the person who was on an alcohol soaked bender until 1 am monday morning. or smoked pot last evening. marijuana has a much longer half-life and 1 joint/bong can stay in the adipose tissue for 48-72hrs. i've seen +ve results 6 - 8 weeks after last joint."



    augigi,
    underage drinking is what was said ^ above. to me this comment about homosexuality was clearly either ignorance or prejudice. either way it is not for me to judge someone's sexual orientation, and it is certainly not illegal!
  12. by   kaeri
    "sit in the outback and take ectasy" - anericans can be quite ridiculous when it comes to how others live, cant they? no idea.....

    and to the others who are hoping for the perfect world: have you got your questionaires ready for your next health professional to fill out? "do you have any illnesses? are you taking sudafed? did you drink last night?
    good luck with that.

    jeez: why do you people believe you are so right?
  13. by   kaeri
    Quote from bsnin2007
    "originally posted by kaeri
    i believe you should not report them. it may be that the substance is illegal - but so is under-age drinking/drink-driving/homosexuality/ smoking pot etc.they are not using mdma the night prior to their shift.
    dont meddle - the chance of them making a mistake is less than the person who was on an alcohol soaked bender until 1 am monday morning. or smoked pot last evening. marijuana has a much longer half-life and 1 joint/bong can stay in the adipose tissue for 48-72hrs. i've seen +ve results 6 - 8 weeks after last joint."



    augigi,
    underage drinking is what was said ^ above. to me this comment about homosexuality was clearly either ignorance or prejudice. either way it is not for me to judge someone's sexual orientation, and it is certainly not illegal!
    as you have gotten personal and assumed i am ignorant or prejudiced: it may surprise you "living in the land of the free" that some places of the world - maybe the ones that havent been invaded by your guns, your bible or your media - still regard homosexuality as illegal.

    of course, we in australia dont have many modern conveniences. my thinking may change when we no longer give a belt of whiskey to some-one needing a leg amputated.

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