Becoming a CRNA - From One Who Did It

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Looking over this bulletin board, I noticed that there were few CRNA's posting, and a large number of people interested in becoming CRNA's posting. There seem to be a lot of questions. I had a lot of help from others in becoming a CRNA, and this is a good chance to pay some of that back. I graduated from Newman University (Wichita, Kansas) just last August. For now, I'll try to answer some of the questions I've noticed are most commonly asked about becoming a CRNA, and what it is like when you are done. If anyone has other questions, I'll try to check this board every so often, and answer those questions, if I can.

First, if you are in school now, nursing or otherwise, its time to start working hard. Pay particular attention to your nursing and science classes. When considering applicants, most schools look not only at the overall GPA, but at the grades the applicant received in the science and nursing courses. Anesthesia school is tough, with heavy emphasis on science. They need a yardstick to determine whether an applicant can handle the heavy course load they will be required to take. Past performance is always a place they begin.

Look around, do some research on the various schools of Nurse Anesthesia. There is a great deal of variation in programs. For example, length of these programs range from 2 to 3 years. Narrow the possibilities down to two or three schools. Then, contact the Program Director or Advisor to find out what requirements you must meet to be accepted to the program. If you have a chance, talk with the Director, and find out what you can do to make yourself a more attractive applicant. While there is currently a shortage of nurse anesthetists, there is no shortage of applicants for the relatively few school seats each year. The competition is stiff, and you must make yourself as attractive as possible.

Every program that I am aware of requires at least one year of experience in an ICU. I am aware of no program that accepts ER, OR, or any other type experience. This may frustrate you, it may not seem fair, and it may not make sense, but trust me, there are good reasons for this requirement. Not all programs require adult ICU experience. One of my classmates' experience was in NICU. Check with the programs you intend to apply to about what specific experience they require.

Once you have applied and been accepted, get ready. Every anesthetist I have ever talked to has said that anesthesia school was the toughest, most demanding thing they had ever done. (The most stressful was taking boards, but that is another story.) My own life is a good example. Before becoming a nurse, I was in the US Army, and attended the Defense Language Institute to study Russian. This was a full year, total immersion program. It was not even half as tough as anesthesia school. Brush up on your anatomy, particularly the anatomy of the airway and nervous system. Know the autonomic nervous system as well as you can. Be ready to study, study, and study some more. Plan on at least two hours study time for every hour you spend in class.

Working while in full time anesthesia school is difficult, at best. Working full time is impossible. Don't try it, you will only harm yourself.

So, what is life as a CRNA like? That depends on where you work. I work for an anesthesia group with both Nurse anesthetists and anesthesiologists. My average work day begins between 6 and 6:30 am, and I work until anywhere from 3 pm to whenever (the longest day I have had was 19 hours). I do anesthesia for all kinds of cases, from simple general surgery to open heart surgery, vascular surgery, and neurological surgery. Nurse anesthetists perform anesthesia, pure and simple. I see my patients before the surgery, plan the anesthetic, and perform all phases of the anesthetic. I put in arterial lines, central lines, and Swan Ganz catheters. I am also able to do regional anesthesia (spinals, epidurals, and regional blocks), but the group where I work does few of these. The only kind of anesthesia I don't currently do is obstetric, because the group I work for does not do OB.

I think the average starting salary for a nurse anesthetist is $85,000 to $110,000 annually, not including benefits, which can be, and usually are substantial. Many places not only have the salary, but also pay overtime. (Do the math. It makes staying late a whole lot easier.) Someone on this board said that some CRNA's only earn $60,000. I am not aware of any full time position with a salary that low.

I am extremely satisified with my career choice. I love doing anesthesia. I find it fun, interesting, and challenging. I have more independence and more responsibility than any other advanced practice nurse I know.

As I said earlier, I'll be happy to answer any specific questions I can. I'd prefer those questions be posted here, so I don't have to repeatedly answer the same questions. Rest assured, you won't be the only one with that question.

Kevin McHugh, CRNA

Well I have to say that this is the most information I have seen on the topic of CRNA. A little about myself. I am currently working on my second semester of college. I am trying to get all of the general classes for my BSN out of the way. I spent 7 years in the Marine corps doing electronics, and I moved to KAnsas City to work for sprint. Well I have been layed of three too many times and I have decided to become a nurse. I would like to say its because of my overwelming need to help others but is mostly because I want a secure job and a decent paycheck. In Aug 03 I will be only going to school less than half time (General classes) and I will be getting my LPN. My ultimate goal is to get my BSN and then my CRNA. (Dont worry there is a question coming). I have just started taking A&P and well after just looking at the book and hearing all the horror stories about the class I feel like I am getting overwhelmed. I have a 3yo and one on the way.

My Question is.........when it is time to interview for the RN or the CRNA school. How do I say that I am in it for the Money and the security without sounding shallow. I mean the Human body is fasinating to me and I love learning about. And I am not saying that I am not good with people.

I hope you understand and any advise you can give would be helpfull......thanky You,

Shallow John.....lol

Specializes in Nurse Anesthetist.

Dear Shallow John!

Too funny! You say all of the right things in the interview. You say what the interviewer wants to hear. You say what you have to to get the job done.

Why do you want to be a nurse? I have investigated many aspects of the RN profession, and I like the direction it is moving. I see many more men in the profession, I feel I can contribute to the team.

Why do you want to be a CRNA? (DO NOT MENTION being a CRNA in the RN process or during nursing school, you'll just slow yourself down and won't get the many opportunities that are possible. ) Most general nurses believe that we become CRNAs for the money. That is just not the case. I like the independence and critical thinking. I enjoy the team approach for the benefit of the pt. I felt like I wanted a Masters degree, but was not willing to be a NP or in mgmt. Too boring. I found a perfect fit. Is this your perfect fit? Explore. Follow a CRNA, etc. Do your homework.

I loved being a PICU nurse. I had a good place to work, I was well respected and the MDs were wonderful. They would listen when I talked, and would teach when I didin't understand smething. That's hard to find, but it is out there.

This is actually a whole different thread, so I fyou wnat to respond, start a different thread, ok?

Qwiigs

Could you just make this is "sticky" thread? This thread has probably the best information on this site.

WOW. I would like to update my last thread. My wife does in home child care and one of her clients is a respatory therapist. She invited me to Children Mercy Hospital in KC MO. I was supposed to watch an open heart surgery on an infant, however it was cancelled. This is the first time I have been to a hospital since my Mother died and I have to say that it changed my whole perspective. I toured the facility and met some profusionists, a MDA, a CRNA many nurses and asked about 10K questions. I learned alot. While touring the facility I got to tour the PICU and seeng all the Infants and children that needed help was a hard hitting reality. I am not sure if I will be a CRNA or a NP or what I will do. I do know this though. I will be a nurse, and I will be a good nurse. I will cross the advanced practice bridges when I get to them.....

Thank you.

Thanks to everyone for all of the insightful comments and suggestions. This is truly an invaluable resource!

I am a recent graduate with a Biology degree who has decided that his calling is in nursing, specifically in nursing anesthesia because of my interest in the sciences and my need for autonomy in the workforce. I do, however, have a major concern as I prepare to pursue this goal: I have a serious intestinal disorder for which there is not yet a solid cure (ulcerative colitis). Ninety-five percent of the time this condition doesn't obligately interfere with my day to day life; however, when it flares up, it may be necessary for me to make the occasional sudden trip to the bathroom (need I say more?). So here's my question: how stringent are the health requirements for practicing CRNA's? Would this condition be viewed as too great a handicap for the profession? Let me emphasize that this is not by any means a daily problem. But in practice, there would certainly be the occasion when I would be in the OR monitoring a patient and would need to hit the throne. This question is aimed at any experienced practitioners who know from experience how manageable such a disorder may be.

Thanks so much for your time--

BH

I vote for a sticky!

If somenone would like to pare this thread down. to just the essentials, it could be made into a sticky. Most of the good stuff in here is in the FAQ, that is why we wrote it.

What would be better, is for someone with the time, is to compare this to the FAQ, and make the differences into further contributions to the FAQ. Too many stickies is not a good thing.

Also, this thread meanders a bit too much as it is.

Craig

ok, i know this thread has long been dead, but the information on here is incredible, so i wanted to stir up this old discussion. any one who wants to be a crna should read this thread b/c just about every question imaginable is answered.

This thread answers so many questions I've had but had no one to ask. Thank you!

Now a question or two of my own...

1. How do I find a CRNA to shadow?

2. I keep hearing about being going heavily into debt for CRNA school. Many of the schools that are near here are in the 12k range per year, which would easily be covered by Stafford loans. Is the higher debt load due to going to a more expensive school (Georgetown etc) or am I underestimating the cost of attending? My plan was to work in an ICU for 2-3 years then apply, saving like mad for living expenses the entire time, now I'm wondering if I'm deluding myself.

3. Are the hours of CRNA's similar to floor nursing? By that I mean, there is a great deal of flexibility for floor nurses. Some work as much overtime as they can stand and there are others who are perfectly happy to work 2 or 3 ten hour shifts and be done for the week. I think of this flexibility as a huge benefit and I wonder if it carries over into advanced practice positions.

Thanks to Kevin for starting this thread and also to Craig, I love your journal!

Jenn

:D

CRHSrn- thanks for bringing this thread to the 'active threads' forefront--I have only gotten halfway and I have learned so much more than I knew. I am thrilled to have read it.

Originally posted by JennInColumbus

3. Are the hours of CRNA's similar to floor nursing? By that I mean, there is a great deal of flexibility for floor nurses. Some work as much overtime as they can stand and there are others who are perfectly happy to work 2 or 3 ten hour shifts and be done for the week. I think of this flexibility as a huge benefit and I wonder if it carries over into advanced practice positions.

:D

Jenn,

There is a lot of flexibility in being a CRNA depending on your practice setting. Check out gaswork.com to look at CRNA positions that are near you. Generally, CRNAs that work for a combimed group work a set number of hours (7-3 X 5 or 7-5 X 4, etc.) and don't take call, work weekends, or holidays. There's tons of options out there. Some groups CRNAs take call and other groups don't require it, some groups it's M-F some groups is 24 on/24 off, etc. :)

Good Luck :)

Brett

To Answer Jenn's Questions:

1. Go to the OR at your hospital, and ask the nurse in charge of the desk for a name of a CRNA who would be open to being shadowed. Most of us would be glad to show you what we do, because most of us feel that it is important to our profession to encourage those who want to be CRNA's.

2. The heavy debt incurred by most CRNA's in going to school does not just include the cost of tuition. Most CRNA programs are full time programs, with little or no time to work outside of school. Your plate is just too full. So, in addition to needing loans for books and tuition, you will need additional money for living expenses. Unless of course you are married, and can live on your spouses salary alone for the 2-3 years you are in school. However, your plan is a good one, and may easily reduce your overall debt load after a CRNA program.

3. Hours: Man, there's a question. The hours you will work depend in large part on where you work, and the environment you work in. My first 17 months after I graduated, I worked for an anesthesia group that did a lot of very sick patients. There were 4-5 MDA's with 5 CRNA's in the group, with a very heavy caseload. As a result, I often worked as much as 70-80 hours a week. Frankly, I was exhausted, and it was beginning to be a strain on my marriage. Last April, I moved to an entirely new state, and began to practice at a rural hospital where there are no MDA's. We do general, ENT, Gyn and occasional uro and eye surgery, as well as OB anesthesia and procedural sedation. My average work week here is 30-35 hours a week, at a much higher salary than I earned previously. The trade off is that there are only 2 CRNA's here, so I am on day on day off call, with call every other weekend. As you can tell from the hours I work, I don't get called in more than about 40% of the time I am on call.

There are a number of jobs posted that offer a 40 hour week, with no call. Go to any of the CRNA job boards, and you will find a lot of different options where work environment is concerned.

Kevin McHugh

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