CAN A PHILIPPINE BSN-RN take the NCLEX-PN instead??

Rep · Jan 22, 2007

hi to allnurses! you know i read the philippine newspaper today and i read about the visitation of mr. tyrone howard, the president of the nat'l federation of licensed practical nurse of america. i found out that in the u.s. theres a 15 month course in practical nursing and a student can be employed after passing the nclex-pn. then i found out that these lpns can also be qualified to take the nclex-rn after 9 months of training in applied science in nursing and become a full pledged registered nurse in america! then it made me think...if an lpn can be an rn through these process..can also an rn ( philippine registered nurse) can choose to take the nclex-pn than nclex-rn?? also said on the newspaper i read, after completing the lpn course,graduates can apply for jobs in the us and are assured of visa placements. i just thought how about a filipino bsn-rn ? are we considered over qualified to become an lpn? if ever theres an over qualification, is that allowable? me, a filipino bsn-rn who'll apply and take nclex - pn? can i do that as well?...im just looking at some other options but ofcourse i wanted to make sure first if what im thinking is possible to happen. also, for additional infos, i just want to know wat does practical nursing course covers? i know theres a difference between the bsn 4 yr course and the pn 15 month course? does the bsn covers all the practical nursing course?also im planning to attend the program where mr. howard will speak..you know, maybe i might get helpful infos there..he was invited by the philippine paramedical and technical schools (ppts) as this year's commencement speaker for its graduating classes in various ppts branches nationwide...fellas if you have any advices, answers to my questions or suggestions, id gratefully appreciate them all. thank you so much. god will truly bless you.:kiss

yes, a bsn graduate from the philippines can take the nclex-pn here. i took and passed nclex-pn and nclex-rn.

but you need a passed nclex-rn or a passed cgfns to qualify for an immigrant visa. a passed lpn does not qualify you an immigrant visa. there are many threads here in this philippine and international forum. read and you will find out why.

good luck!

miss_cy · Jan 22, 2007

Rep thanks alot..but as wat ive read..LPNs are assured of a visa placement. wat was dat suppose to mean? if ever i passed the NCLEX-PN can i look for an employer who then can petition me? also, do i need to take an ielts for that too? a combination of nclex-pn and ielts

TheCommuter, BSN, RN · Jan 22, 2007

I just had a couple of questions.

Why are you so focused on taking the NCLEX-PN when you possess a nursing education at the BSN level? Why wouldn't you sit for the NCLEX-RN if you have successfully completed an RN program? I fully understand that there's a clear international connection here, but please clarify the reasons why the NCLEX-RN doesn't seem to be one of your current priorities.

miss_cy · Jan 22, 2007

I just had a couple of questions.
Why are you so focused on taking the NCLEX-PN when you possess a nursing education at the BSN level? Why wouldn't you sit for the NCLEX-RN if you have successfully completed an RN program? I fully understand that there's a clear international connection here, but please clarify the reasons why the NCLEX-RN doesn't seem to be one of your current priorities.

the reason why really is because im eager to work in the states and process my papers to hava job there by this year..thats my plan really but when i took the NCLEX-RN last dec 5 2006, i didnt make it and was so down about it..i was starting to review again then i read an article form the newspaper about Mr Howard and got the idea of trying the NCLEX-PN , ofcourse i still wanted to take the NCLEX-RN but i just thought of taking the NCLEX-PN wud be much less difficult compare to NCLEX-RN and i thought that as a stepping stone to be in the states and even process my papers this year to get an employer and work there. ..so that means i can apply for an nclex-pn..hows dat after i passed that exam? will there be an available visa placement or petition? thanks alot for the infos..hope to gather more..thanks fellas.

miss_cy · Jan 22, 2007

friday, january 19, 2007

[color=#ee0000]us: vast market for practical nurses

by sam mediavilla, reporter

the united states is urging filipinos to exploit that country's vast practical nursing market.

gregory tyrone howard, lpn, president of the national federation of licensed practical nurses of america, noted in a dialogue with office of the president undersecretary for external affairs eduardo soliman that us employment opportunities are not limited to graduates of a four-year bachelor's degree.

"there is also a bigger need for graduates of short vocational courses for nursing to man the frontlines there," howard told soliman in a meeting as part of his on going dialogues with government groups like the tesda [technical education and skills development authority.

howard is also a member of the committee of licensed practical nurse, commission graduates of foreign nursing schools [cgfns].

he is in the country on the invitation of the philippine paramedical and technical schools (ppts) as this year's commencement speaker for its graduating classes in the different fields all over the country.

howard said filipino vocational graduates could qualify in the us practical nursing program if schools here introduce america's approved practical nursing courses.

the country's medical profession is only addressing the us employment demands for registered nurses, which is far smaller, compared for the need for vocational nurses, howard pointed out.

"if the country can answer the need for practical nurses in america, thousands more will be gainfully employed there on top of the current registered nurses that we are now sending," he said.

howard noted that vocational nursing education could be ladderized.

this means a high-school graduate who could not afford to take up four-year nursing course could take a 15-month licensed practical nurse program at a us-accredited school and then apply for the us licensure exams.

he added that while waiting for the processing of their papers, graduates could opt to proceed to another nine-month additional training for a degree in applied science in nursing.

that would qualify them to take the registered nurse licensure exam [nclex] and become a "registered nurse" in the us, he pointed out.

"for underdeveloped countries like the philippines with vast number of manpower resources available for foreign deployment, abbreviated courses like the vocational or practical nursing program are timely," howard stressed.

"it will enable graduates to qualify for highly paid nursing employment in the us in a shorter time sending much need dollar remittances back to the country," he added.

http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/jan/19/yehey/top_stories/20070119top4.html

Rep · Jan 22, 2007

Rep thanks alot..but as wat ive read..LPNs are assured of a visa placement. wat was dat suppose to mean? if ever i passed the NCLEX-PN can i look for an employer who then can petition me? also, do i need to take an ielts for that too? a combination of nclex-pn and ielts

To start the petition process, you file the I-140 , the I-140 petiion requires a passed CGFNS or passed NCLEX-RN. This is just an initial process, there will be a copuple later. In the final phase which is an interview, you need to submit a Visa Screen Certificate, a federal requirement, for an immigrant visa to be issued. Requirements for the VSC are passed English exams and a passed CFGNS or passed NCLEX-RN. It does not say NCLEX-PN. Therefore, for you to get an approved petiton, I-140, you need a CGFNS or RN . To get the visa, you need a VSC which requires a CGFNS or RN license.

Rep · Jan 22, 2007

friday, january 19, 2007
[color=#ee0000]us: vast market for practical nurses
by sam mediavilla, reporter
the united states is urging filipinos to exploit that country's vast practical nursing market.
gregory tyrone howard, lpn, president of the national federation of licensed practical nurses of america, noted in a dialogue with office of the president undersecretary for external affairs eduardo soliman that us employment opportunities are not limited to graduates of a four-year bachelor's degree.
"there is also a bigger need for graduates of short vocational courses for nursing to man the frontlines there," howard told soliman in a meeting as part of his on going dialogues with government groups like the tesda [technical education and skills development authority.
howard is also a member of the committee of licensed practical nurse, commission graduates of foreign nursing schools [cgfns].
he is in the country on the invitation of the philippine paramedical and technical schools (ppts) as this year's commencement speaker for its graduating classes in the different fields all over the country.
howard said filipino vocational graduates could qualify in the us practical nursing program if schools here introduce america's approved practical nursing courses.
the country's medical profession is only addressing the us employment demands for registered nurses, which is far smaller, compared for the need for vocational nurses, howard pointed out.
"if the country can answer the need for practical nurses in america, thousands more will be gainfully employed there on top of the current registered nurses that we are now sending," he said.
howard noted that vocational nursing education could be ladderized.
this means a high-school graduate who could not afford to take up four-year nursing course could take a 15-month licensed practical nurse program at a us-accredited school and then apply for the us licensure exams.
he added that while waiting for the processing of their papers, graduates could opt to proceed to another nine-month additional training for a degree in applied science in nursing.
that would qualify them to take the registered nurse licensure exam [nclex] and become a "registered nurse" in the us, he pointed out.
"for underdeveloped countries like the philippines with vast number of manpower resources available for foreign deployment, abbreviated courses like the vocational or practical nursing program are timely," howard stressed.
"it will enable graduates to qualify for highly paid nursing employment in the us in a shorter time sending much need dollar remittances back to the country," he added.
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/jan/19/yehey/top_stories/20070119top4.html

that is what they said, but based on immigration rules, a pn does not qualify for an employment -based visa.

miss_cy · Jan 22, 2007

To start the petition process, you file the I-140 , the I-140 petiion requires a passed CGFNS or passed NCLEX-RN. This is just an initial process, there will be a copuple later. In the final phase which is an interview, you need to submit a Visa Screen Certificate, a federal requirement, for an immigrant visa to be issued. Requirements for the VSC are passed English exams and a passed CFGNS or passed NCLEX-RN. It does not say NCLEX-PN. Therefore, for you to get an approved petiton, I-140, you need a CGFNS or RN . To get the visa, you need a VSC which requires a CGFNS or RN license.

ok so is that mean its useless if i take the nclex - pn? i just thought of this whole nclex-pn thingy wen i read this article about Mr Howard's explanation about LPNs can also have a job in the states..wat i want to knw is how will an LPN whose from here in the philippines can have a, let say a "working permit" to fill in the needs of america for an LPN? ofcourse to be a USRN still is my main squeeze but if there are other options aside from the nclex -rn on how will i get to US il also consider that. thanks alot really, i appreciate your advices..also, you said that based on the immigration rules, PN is not qualified for an immigrant visa application then what does Mr Howard means by d visa placement for LPNs...i feel like that I-140 is really important..i pray il have that this year. and for all the nurses here in PI...more infos friends. thanks alot rep. you know ur good in giving infos..thanks alot

Rep · Jan 22, 2007

ok so is that mean its useless if i take the nclex - pn? i just thought of this whole nclex-pn thingy wen i read this article about Mr Howard's explanation about LPNs can also have a job in the states..wat i want to knw is how will an LPN whose from here in the philippines can have a, let say a "working permit" to fill in the needs of america for an LPN? ofcourse to be a USRN still is my main squeeze but if there are other options aside from the nclex -rn on how will i get to US il also consider that. thanks alot really, i appreciate your advices..also, you said that based on the immigration rules, PN is not qualified for an immigrant visa application then what does Mr Howard means by d visa placement for LPNs...i feel like that I-140 is really important..i pray il have that this year. and for all the nurses here in PI...more infos friends. thanks alot rep. you know ur good in giving infos..thanks alot

Sorry but there are no working visas for LPN.

Silverdragon102, BSN · Jan 22, 2007

As said previously for immigration you have to be RN, unless you are entering on another visa ie marrying a USC then you can sit LPN. There is no quick way for you to stay in the US, the best you can do is return to the Phillipine's, resit NCLEX and start CP

miss_cy · Jan 22, 2007

oh ok..thanks rep, i feel i still have to research about what did this president of the national federation of licensed practical nurses of america, noted. hey, thanks alot. if theres any updates about this lpn question..please inform me..thanks alot and if i do have questions in the future about this ,il get back to you. thanks alot.godbless