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Are We Too PC?

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traumaRUs has 25 years experience as a MSN, APRN and works as a Asst Community Manager @ allnurses.

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Have we become a nation of slugs, so offended by a simple old-time Christmas song that we want to ban it from the radio? Where does this leave us in real life? You are reading page 2 of Are We Too PC?. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

Aliens05 has <1 years experience.

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Yes, the USA is way overboard PC. If everyone would just use good ol common sense, manners, and good behavior to guide them, they'd be fine. I know some lack this set, but everyone else should not have to dance the dance because of others lack of upbringing! Soapbox is now being put away...

That brings up an interesting point. In other countries such as Australia, UK, Asia, Europe, is this also becoming more of an issue, is it worldwide? Or is it primarily more-so just here in the USA in terms of this continued OVERLY PC concept?

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Lil Nel, I think it's an entirely different situation when people use derogatory terms to intentionally insult, degrade and demean others of any race, religion, sex, etc., etc. There's nothing PC or otherwise about using those types of terms. It's mean, ugly and meant to inflict harm and should never be tolerated by any of us.

I don't think we can even draw a comparison to using those types of words to the current "movements" to eliminate songs from our "playlist". Where's the foul in wishing someone a Merry Christmas? I have friends that will occasionally wish me a Happy Hanukkah. I'm not Jewish but I certainly appreciate the thought...the sentiment. We've become far too sensitive, IMO.

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djh123 has 5 years experience and works as a RN at a transitional rehab facility.

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Well, it all depends on you definition of PC.

To me, the n-word or 'Kamikaze' for a Japanese person is not what the 'PC' topic is all about. Those are just offensive and racist things. To me 'PC' is when you go far beyond that and make a problem out of nothing, such as what another commenter mentioned, 'Don we now our gay apparel', where gay only means 'happy'.

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Lil Nel, I think it's an entirely different situation when people use derogatory terms to intentionally insult, degrade and demean others of any race, religion, sex, etc., etc. There's nothing PC or otherwise about using those types of terms. It's mean, ugly and meant to inflict harm and should never be tolerated by any of us.

I don't think we can even draw a comparison to using those types of words to the current "movements" to eliminate songs from our "playlist". Where's the foul in wishing someone a Merry Christmas? I have friends that will occasionally wish me a Happy Hanukkah. I'm not Jewish but I certainly appreciate the thought...the sentiment. We've become far too sensitive, IMO.

I don't have a problem with a generic Merry Christmas. I don't consider myself Christian, and I am not religious or superstitious in any way, so I generally just go along with things.

The problem comes when some people EXPECT all people to hold beliefs similar to their own. Not everybody celebrates Christmas, etc.

And as my example proved, with my Japanese co-worker, many people lack common sense and a sensitivity chip, even those with RN after their last name.

Hence, there is clearly a need for some PC standards.

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To me, the n-word or 'Kamikaze' for a Japanese person is not what the 'PC' topic is all about. Those are just offensive and racist things. To me 'PC' is when you go far beyond that and make a problem out of nothing, such as what another commenter mentioned, 'Don we now our gay apparel', where gay only means 'happy'.

There are some among us who believe not using those derogatory terms is forcing them to be PC.

They believe it is their to speak however they choose.

Clearly, my coworkers didn't see themselves as racist.

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cec0007 has 1 years experience.

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Are we too PC? YES.

Many good posts already made!

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And as my example proved, with my Japanese co-worker, many people lack common sense and a sensitivity chip, even those with RN after their last name.

Well, a couple of things...first and again, using deliberately hurtful words has nothing to do with being PC. It is simply being mean. Second, you will NEVER ensure everyone has the same "common sense and sensitivity chip" you describe or wish for. We all come from different backgrounds, have different sensitivities, grew up in different cultures (whether that culture was a national or local culture or simply our family culture). We are not clones. Robots. Things that may bother you might have no effect on me.

As for your Japanese friend, I have to wonder why she wouldn't speak up for herself - agency or not? And did you speak up for her to your co-workers?

To me, this PC stuff is exactly what the original poster and others have mentioned...taking one simple thing that has been around for years totally out of context and making an issue over it. I bet if we could take a national vote we would find a very small percentage believing the ...Cold Outside song politically incorrect.

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I don't have a problem with a generic Merry Christmas. I don't consider myself Christian, and I am not religious or superstitious in any way, so I generally just go along with things.

The problem comes when some people EXPECT all people to hold beliefs similar to their own. Not everybody celebrates Christmas, etc.

Maybe it's not an expectation that other people have beliefs similar to their own, but rather, an expectation that most people associate Christmas with love peace and joy and want to share it with others even when there might be differing beliefs.

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OyWithThePoodles has 10 years experience as a RN and works as a Registered Nurse.

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I see many parents posting on facebook about a child "ruining my kids childhood" because they said that Santa wasn't real. And "how dare parents not tell their kids that Santa is real so it won't hurt my kids feelings".

Well, we don't do Santa. No disrespect to anyone who does, my husband and I both grew up believing. But we came to the decision before having kids that we don't want to "lie" (don't get offended over that word) to them about Santa because we don't ever want them to look at us and say "You told me all these years that God was real, I can't see him, so how is it any different than Santa?"

That being said, it drives me up the wall when parents bash those parents who don't do Santa. Do I make a huge fuss when the teacher (who knows we don't do Santa) tells the class that she spoke to Santa last night? And when my 6 year old comes home and says "I know Santa is real, my teacher said so!" No, I don't. I simply explain that Santa is just something fun to partake in during Christmas. I never say the words "he isn't real" because at this age I guarantee the first thing she would do is tell the whole class.

Anywho, all that said to say yes, we are too PC. (I am not talking about derogatory words and phrases)

Forgive typos, school nurse here and I saw 6 different kids while typing this ;)

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GHGoonette works as a PACU RN.

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Yes indeed, PC is ruining our lives. Not just in America, but everywhere, and not just Christmas. I read today that in a certain British city council, sex education now has to include the gem that "boys can have periods too", so as not to offend those who are "trans gender" men or binary. Starting with 8 year olds, mind. Then there is the Morris dancing. An action group complained about a demonstration of this ancient practice traditionally held at the local fair, because some of the dancers wear (gasp) blackface. The tradition of blacking one's face for the dance presumably is some tradition related to the old origins of the dance, probably to do with its Moorish roots and chasing off evil spirits. This bunch of fruits actually succeeded in the dancing being banned from the fair. So now, we have a whole new generation of Mother Grundies ruling over us and dictating what we shall deem right and proper. It's a new intolerance, and so far it's getting worse than any that went before.

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RNperdiem has 14 years experience.

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The banned song made news because it is an outlier. Most radio stations and their listeners are not that extreme. Outliers and manufactured outrage will always make for more interesting news. In the real world, most of us live in, PC is not that big an issue.

It is probably an issue for people who are adjusting to new standards. My parents have a friend who was admitted to the hospital, and had to take this friend aside and explain that calling the nurses "honey" and "babe" and "joking around" with them in a flirtatious way was not acceptable in this setting (or any other). Their friend was once a big CEO in his home country and probably always treated the women around him that way.

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traumaRUs has 25 years experience as a MSN, APRN and works as a Asst Community Manager @ allnurses.

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Well, it all depends on you definition of PC.

If PC behavior means I don't have to listen to my patient use the n-word to describe one of my co-workers, then I am all for it!

I live and work in Kentucky, and during the past year, I have been amazed by the amount and frequency of racist outbursts from patients.

If PC behavior zips shut the mouths of racists, hooray.

One night, I worked with a nurse who was born in Japan, and has a Japanese first name.

The other nurses and techs, call her "Kamikaze." They thought they were being playful, I suppose. I think they were being ignorant.

I told this nurse: I will not call you Kamikaze. I will call you by your name.

She smiled and said: I know. What is wrong with them? They are so ignorant!

She didn't feel comfortable speaking up for herself because she was an agency nurse, and the minority.

Happy to be PC!

If she is Japanese, the culture is not to clash with authority so that is probably why she didn't object. However, I totally agree with you that to call her is disrespectful though the Kamikaze are revered in Japan.

As to racist remarks, name-calling - of course that is not to be tolerated. However, my intent was not to allow people to be rude but rather encourage people to use common sense. And from some of the other comments, I have plenty of people that think common sense is lacking in our society.

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