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Are Nurses Oppressed?

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Nurses have a rewarding profession, but face many challenges in their work. Could oppression be one of them, and what are the solutions? You are reading page 2 of Are Nurses Oppressed?. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

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1 hour ago, audreysmagic said:

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I'm sorry - this was all I could think of... ūüôā I'll show myself out.

 

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Emergent has 25 years experience and works as a Emergency Room RN.

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1 minute ago, katherinebrewer7 said:

Freire postulates that oppression can be subtle. It can be violent, but also can be subvert. The hallmark of the construct are that the group is made to feel devalued by a means of the social, economic, and political environment. However one can certainly argue that an economic workgroup such as nurses cannot claim the mantle of supreme systematic oppression as can other groups such as those you mention. 

I don't care what Frere postulates. I am talking about the misuse of the English language that is so common today in our culture of victimhood. 

First of all, hierarchies are an inherent part of the human, and animal, experience. Nurses are not at the top, I'll tell you that right now.

We are worker bees. In the United States we can usually expect to make a reasonable living,  and have 4 days off a week. If we manage our finances well, we can live better than most people in the world. 

 

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And there was much rejoicing. 

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3 minutes ago, Emergent said:

I don't care what Frere postulates. I am talking about the misuse of the English language that is so common today in our culture of victimhood. 

First of all, hierarchies are an inherent part of the human, and animal, experience. Nurses are not at the top, I'll tell you that right now.

We are worker bees. In the United States we can usually expect to make a reasonable living,  and have 4 days off a week. If we manage our finances well, we can live better than most people in the world. 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Emergent said:

I don't care what Frere postulates. I am talking about the misuse of the English language that is so common today in our culture of victimhood. 

First of all, hierarchies are an inherent part of the human, and animal, experience. Nurses are not at the top, I'll tell you that right now.

We are worker bees. In the United States we can usually expect to make a reasonable living,  and have 4 days off a week. If we manage our finances well, we can live better than most people in the world. 

 

Fair enough. Multiple view points strengthen the debate. 

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2 hours ago, audreysmagic said:

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I'm sorry - this was all I could think of... :)  I'll show myself out.

Aaaaand I'm under my desk giggling. Thank you, Audreysmagic.

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I think what we're seeing here is the disconnect between upper tier nursing academics and the actual ground level provision of nursing care. Nursing is very unique among most any profession (that I can think of, anyway) in that it has constructed it's own education theory, leadership theory and research theory to just name 3. Most every other discipline uses generally accepted authoritative theory in those respective areas. There are no considerations of medical, legal or biological sciences education, leadership or research theories. They see no need to re-invent the wheel. I never did see the utility for carving out a  separate 'nursing' way to look at all these disciplines and speaking with my NP friends who had to endure it all, they don't either. There is a real risk of over thinking higher level academic nursing right into irrelevancy, if it hasn't happened already in some places. 

For all of the validation hospital nursing administration pays to this kind of thinking, I notice that the hospital brass that are nurses don't posses graduate Nursing Business Administration degrees, or Nursing Public Health Administration degrees. 

That's because there is a lot of money on the line and plenty of competitors ready and willing to take it far, far away. 

Nursing theory academics are well and good for style points, but when jobs and money are on the line, the real world intervenes. 

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Jedrnurse has 25 years experience as a BSN, RN and works as a school nurse.

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1 hour ago, offlabel said:

I think what we're seeing here is the disconnect between upper tier nursing academics and the actual ground level provision of nursing care. Nursing is very unique among most any profession (that I can think of, anyway) in that it has constructed it's own education theory, leadership theory and research theory to just name 3. Most every other discipline uses generally accepted authoritative theory in those respective areas. There are no considerations of medical, legal or biological sciences education, leadership or research theories. They see no need to re-invent the wheel. I never did see the utility for carving out a  separate 'nursing' way to look at all these disciplines and speaking with my NP friends who had to endure it all, they don't either. There is a real risk of over thinking higher level academic nursing right into irrelevancy, if it hasn't happened already in some places. 

For all of the validation hospital nursing administration pays to this kind of thinking, I notice that the hospital brass that are nurses don't posses graduate Nursing Business Administration degrees, or Nursing Public Health Administration degrees. 

That's because there is a lot of money on the line and plenty of competitors ready and willing to take it far, far away. 

Nursing theory academics are well and good for style points, but when jobs and money are on the line, the real world intervenes. 

Amen! You've described why I don't take the concept of non-clinical nursing doctorate degrees seriously. 

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Now that it is 2019 I think everybody thinks they are oppressed. its like the cool new "hey guys look I am a victim" type thing thats neat now...

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3 hours ago, Spadeforce said:

Now that it is 2019 I think everybody thinks they are oppressed. its like the cool new "hey guys look I am a victim" type thing thats neat now...

Started way before this year, I assure you...

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For years, I rejected the idea that nurses are oppressed. It was based on my own experience (did not feel oppressed) and my understanding. I thought that oppression is something that only applies to the well known marginalized groups that have been experiencing oppression. 

It was not until I started to work in a community setting and now in a community acute care place that I changed my opinion. I was used to academic centers and never felt powerless. I was mentored by strong clinical nurses who felt as equal partners in care when dealing with providers. A lot has changed in nursing. And what I am seeing now prompted me to re-think. 

I do think that nurses as a group are oppressed, behave like oppressed groups do, and often oppress fellow oppressed nurses. Ever witnessed report where nurses are afraid of giving report because the next nurse is highly critical and tries to exert passive-aggressive power? 

This is not an oppression competition where the most oppressed group in the country or world is the only one that can be oppressed or legit oppressed. It is good to understand those dynamics that lead to oppression so we can understand how we are being treated and also how we treat other nurses or people. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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NICU Guy has 4 years experience as a BSN, RN and works as a NICU RN.

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18 hours ago, katherinebrewer7 said:

The hallmark of the construct are that the group is made to feel devalued by a means of the social, economic, and political environment.

I don't feel oppressed in any way. I actually feel the opposite. I feel valued, even to the point that some of the patients' families will put us on a pedestal. We are highly valued by our physicians. The Attendings demand that the nurses be respected. Any Resident that disrespects a nurse is dealt with swiftly. Every daily Plan of Care must be agreed upon by the bedside nurse. Residents will preemptively get agreement to their Plan of Care from the bedside nurse prior to officially rounding with their Attending.  I am also definitely not economically oppressed. If I am supposed to be oppressed, they they are doing a very poor job at it.

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5 hours ago, NICU Guy said:

I don't feel oppressed in any way. I actually feel the opposite. I feel valued, even to the point that some of the patients' families will put us on a pedestal. We are highly valued by our physicians. The Attendings demand that the nurses be respected. Any Resident that disrespects a nurse is dealt with swiftly. Every daily Plan of Care must be agreed upon by the bedside nurse. Residents will preemptively get agreement to their Plan of Care from the bedside nurse prior to officially rounding with their Attending.  I am also definitely not economically oppressed. If I am supposed to be oppressed, they they are doing a very poor job at it.

That is great. No the theory doesn't mean that everyone is oppressed, or everyone feels the same way, it's just a way of defining why certain things seem to 'fit' together in a conceptual way. Thanks

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