Going Saudi first - page 2
hello everyone.. I kinda need to know if my step in the process of my career is okey. I am going to accept an offer in Taif, Saudi Arabia on the same field that I am exposed in the Philippines.... Read More
Dec 11, '06Joined: Jun '04; Posts: 2,987; Likes: 41Quote from Barbie38Barbie, I worked in Saudi for eight years. Most of that in Riyadh. I absolutely loved it. The last time I was there was in Sept. '05...this hospital is a military hospital. It is a government hospital and is linked with the Ministry of Defense. The pay is not as big as the other countries which recruit Philippine nurses but...the food and lodging is free... 2 nurses in a room, airconditioned, free uniforms, free meals and free scheduled trips to Jeddah ( 2 hours away) for any shopping and leisure. they also offer leisure sports activities. I hope water utility would also be free.
Taif is a lovely city - much cooler than say Jeddah. True, the Filippino nurses are not treated as well as western nurse, which somehow includes South Africans, but all the Filippinos I spoke with said it was much better conditions than they'd expected and the pay was far more than they'd make at home.
The only thing to keep in mind about the money is that, while it is a lot more than at home, and your rent, utilities, meals, transportation, uniforms etc. are paid for, the groceries you buy will be considered expensive. Same price for everyone. Also any clothes you buy, though some places, like the souqs have tiered prices. Westerners pay most, Filippinos in the middle, and Saudi's the least. Helps if you bargain.
I would say to go. It's only a year contract, which is very unusual for Filippinos, and you'll have an entirely different experience to add to your life. Also, since there are so many Filippinos there, it is a very social time. Unlike now for westerners, since so many have left.
I never felt afraid, and the Saudi people are lovely. The press plays up problems and it may scare you, but it is really lovely there, and you'll get to spend your time waiting for your U.S. visa learning new things. The Saudi hospitals tend to have the latest equipment and techniques and the doctors are happy to explain and teach. Military hospitals are good as well.
Good luck with your decision!
Dec 11, '06Joined: Nov '05; Posts: 574; Likes: 445Thank you for sharing your experience Weetziebat. It sounds like something I may be doing.
Dec 11, '06Joined: Oct '05; Posts: 87; Likes: 4i have been to saudi arabia twice and it definitely is not as negative experience as people describe. I am 3rd generation american born to an Irish Italian family..... grew up with a liberal attitude about my place in the world..... the media is unfair to some cultures. how men and women interact and/or the separation of the sexes in certain situations is often depicted as "creulty" to women..... i will say that while i was there, i was always treated with respect......i have many filipino friends that have been there and loved it so much they made me want to go...... don't be fooled by negative statements from people who have NEVER even been there, possibly never even left american soil.....good luck to you
Dec 11, '06Joined: Nov '05; Posts: 574; Likes: 445It is amazing how different reality is sometimes.Last edit by blueyesue on Dec 11, '06
Dec 12, '06Joined: Jun '04; Posts: 2,987; Likes: 41Quote from ejmyou might want to make that a camel you ride to work on. have seen many camels in the back of pick-up trucks, and many goats in the passenger seats, but must say you'd be the first woman to ride a camel (or horse) to work.as a little girl, i have had the dream of working as a nurse in saudi arabia and riding my horse to work. lol.
Quote from ejmyou're very welcome. i never mean to get involved in these saudi discussions, but when i read so many negative remarks, often from people who have never been there, it just irritates me so much i have to add my two cents. :uhoh21:thank you for sharing your experience weetziebat. it sounds like something i may be doing.
Quote from ejmwhat is really amazing to me, at least, is how the press (newspapers, television, whatever) lies. we get told what our government wants us to know, or think. it is only when you get outside the country do you see how one-sided the info we hear about is. (i know i ended the sentence with a prepostion, as i frequently do, and appologize in advance to anyone it may bother.)it is amazing how different reality is sometimes.
Dec 12, '06Joined: Oct '06; Posts: 1,306; Likes: 243I'm a muslim and I wouldn't even go. Just my two cents.
Dec 12, '06Occupation: EDRN Specialty: ER, ICU ; Joined: Aug '04; Posts: 89; Likes: 36Fact: you are not free to practice your religion. Fact: women are not allowed to walk around without their hair covered. I find that oppressive, but make up your own mind. As for Saudi being a "beautiful" country, it has no permanant bodies of fresh water and very little vegetation. There are clouds of flies and oppressive heat. Again, make up your own mind, but I did not find it beautiful at all. By the way, those "lovely" Saudi people hate our guts and want us dead.
Dec 12, '06Occupation: Medical Device co. Specialty: 10 year(s) of experience in Critical care, cardiothoracics, VADs ; Joined: Nov '05; Posts: 1,470; Likes: 48Quote from KnoodsenHate whose guts and want them dead? I doubt the Saudis have anything against the Philippines, which is where the OP is from.Fact: you are not free to practice your religion. Fact: women are not allowed to walk around without their hair covered. I find that oppressive, but make up your own mind. As for Saudi being a "beautiful" country, it has no permanant bodies of fresh water and very little vegetation. There are clouds of flies and oppressive heat. Again, make up your own mind, but I did not find it beautiful at all. By the way, those "lovely" Saudi people hate our guts and want us dead.
Dec 12, '06Joined: Oct '06; Posts: 1,256; Likes: 66There is a stark beauty to the desert, btw. As far as Saudis, I believe polls in most Muslim countries showed support of 9/11 destruction of the Twin Towers and dislike American policies of supporting Israel and having a miltary presence in Iraq. Just like us, however, people are able to look beyond Nationalism and get to know real people.
But the fact of the matter is that the country will not allow free religious expression, it suppresses Christians, and the rights of women are non-existant.
Dec 12, '06Occupation: utilization review Specialty: 38 year(s) of experience in Case Management working from home ; From: PA, US ; Joined: Jun '05; Posts: 778; Likes: 239[QUOTE=weetziebat;1965740] though some places, like the souqs have tiered prices. Westerners pay most, Filippinos in the middle, and Saudi's the least. Helps if you bargain.
Any place where stores have 3 tiers of pricing is not somewhere I would want to go. Just my 2 cents, or since I am a Westerner, that would be 4 cents.
Dec 12, '06Occupation: ER RN Specialty: 15 year(s) of experience in 6 years of ER fun, med/surg, blah, blah ; Joined: Jun '04; Posts: 273; Likes: 36I also have heard & read about some Filipino nurses raped & murdered & their bodies found in dumpsters when I lived in the KSA in 1995 & 96. Only Islam is permitted & underground churches do exist but live in fear of discovery. If it's your only option you have do what whatever you can. There is a large Filipino community there & I met many really great nurses, doctors, lab techs etc, but they do not live a free life at all. Domestics have a harder time there too, can't leave the house, etc. Think carefully.
Dec 12, '06Joined: Dec '05; Posts: 4,143; Likes: 4,405Relevant information because the OP is from the Philippines:
Human Rights in Saudi Arabia: A Deafening Silence (Human Rights Watch Backgrounder, December 2001)
"The country's six to seven million foreign workers -- most of them from India, Egypt, Indonesia, Pakistan, the Philippines, and Bangladesh -- face a variety of restrictions. They must surrender their passports to Saudi sponsors, limiting their freedom of movement, and they are denied the right to form trade unions, strike or engage in collective bargaining. Conditions are particularly harsh for foreign women who work as domestics for Saudi families. Over 19,000 women domestics fled their employers last year, according to Saudi labor ministry official Awad al-Radadi. The women cited mistreatment and nonpayment of wages as among the reasons. The Philippines' ambassador to Saudi Arabia reported to his government, according to Business World (Manila), that many Filipino workers there were "forcedly subjected to poor living conditions, salary underpayment, insufficient food, inhuman working conditions, and long hours or work without rest or day off."
Bold emphasis above is mine. I think it is noteworthy that it is very Western to embrace multiculturalism, however sometimes we don't realize that the openness it is not reciprocal. I scratch my head at what I speculate to be cognitive dissonance regarding the notion that it is a beautiful country. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I've never been off of the North American continent - so there could be something I'm missing.
Another news article: being female could mean you burn to death in a building fire:
BBC News | MIDDLE EAST | Saudi police 'stopped' fire rescue
I don't care how isolated the above incident may be - I would not feel safe in this country.Last edit by Multicollinearity on Dec 12, '06
Dec 12, '06Joined: Nov '05; Posts: 574; Likes: 445Yes, they live under Sharia Law. In fact if you steal you can get your right hand chopped off. Another form of punishment is public flogging. It is definitely NOT ideal. It is also the hardest country to get into. They do have areas where it is not so strict though. I pray one day this law will vanish.