Are NP online degree frowned upon?

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With the increase in NP online programs, would an employer hesitate to hire a NP that graduated from an online program? In addition, what is the likely hood of this 2015 doctorate law will be enforced? If this is enforced what if any effect will this have on the MSN NP in the job force? Thanks

Specializes in Nephrology, Cardiology, ER, ICU.

Gosh - I just can't leave this thread though I should.

I go back to the fact that we all take the same certifying exam!

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The np certification exam is a joke, especially ancc. That's likely why graduates from for profit achools elect to take it over the more clinical based aanp exam (and also tend to fail the aanp exam). Knowing someone passed the NP certification exam does not give me confidence in their skills - give me a review book and I bet I could pass it if I studied for a week or so.

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Gosh - I just can't leave this thread though I should.

I go back to the fact that we all take the same certifying exam!

So do people who attend night school at a third tier law school as those who attend Stanford or even the state school. It doesn't make that third tier school the sudden equivalent of those other universities - if anyone were to suggest that they'd be laughed out of the building. Why is it so hard for people to understand that a school that literally admits everyone who meets the minimal qualifications, that is completed online, and that doesn't provide any clinical training would not be held in the same esteem as a highly selective university that conducts research and is part of an academic medical center?

When you consider how bad for-profits are for the US as a whole (in terms of poor graduation rates and students defaulting on loans), I seriously do not see how people can defend it, as the student loan crisis escalates. For-profits are they eye of the storm. Plus, schools that admit everyone flood the field with poorly trained graduates. That's what happened to law. That's what is currently happening to clinical psychology. People are already complaining about FNP markets being saturated.

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Specializes in Anesthesia, Pain, Emergency Medicine.

You notice that the person that says the NP boards are easy is NOT even an NP.

They say they can pass the boards with a review book and a week? Really? LOL To funny.

Trauma, some here are obviously here to troll responses. That much is obvious.

When people want to debate and give articles and opinions as fact, you realize they do not understand the scientific process. An adult scientific debate is not possible.

Don't give them a response.

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Specializes in Nephrology, Cardiology, ER, ICU.

Yeah - I gave up trying to reason with posters who proclaim to be experts but in reality are not even students - lol!

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Yeah - I gave up trying to reason with posters who proclaim to be experts but in reality are not even students - lol!

I thought you were a CNS not an NP.

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Specializes in Nephrology, Cardiology, ER, ICU.

I am a CNS but in IL the scope of practice is the same. I never proclaimed to be an NP.

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Specializes in Behavioral health.

OK how does this account for the quality of graduates from very reputable public universities that have open admissions such as City College of NY?

Back to the original question. I saw candidate get rejected from a position because they graduated from an Ivy League university.

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While I agree that quality of education matters I do have 2 cents. In my 20 years in the medical field I have learned that there are many variables to being hired and treated/paid well. When I complete my NP education I will be given a job because enough decision makers like me. They wrote me stellar letters of rec for grad school and one of them did it without being asked. Granted I do a great job but my current position is a far cry from being a provider. I sat in on a meeting where a less qualified candidate was offered a position because they felt "the patients would like her better". She wasn't dangerous as far as her education but she wasn't nearly as sharp as the "less likable" girl. I think remembering to be a well rounded and total package type candidate is very important. My bosses would never hire a jerk from Yale and marketing is huge in my company. I also never hear providers talk about where they went to school. I keep track of all licensed personnel and it is quite the mixed bag. Everything from Ivy league to the Caribbean. This is a billion dollar company FWIW. I just think that people underestimate old fashioned self promotion and networking. Unless you go to one of about 10 schools that EVERYONE has heard of it doesn't make much difference. Do docs in Florida really know which schools in Delaware are the best?

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All employers care about is: 1. Do you have a license to practice and 2. Experience. No one really cares where you went to school 99% of the time.

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Specializes in Eventually Midwifery.

I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread. I am not a nurse, will be beginning a nursing program next fall, but I do have graduate level education (from USC east coast).

I really just have 2 points to make.

1. US Weekly rankings = BS

These "rankings" are really just self evaluations of institutions. Faculty and administrators are sent surveys about their school's program and they 'evaluate' it. Could not be a less scientific, nor more biased way to evaluate.

2. Pass rates should weigh more heavily than acceptance rates.

There is a local tech school that has brick and mortar ADN program and is very highly regarded as turning out very well prepared nurses in our community. They accept ANYONE who has the GPA and pre-requisites. That being said, out of each cohort (usually 250 students), usually only 60-70 actually graduate. HOWEVER, they also have a published NCLEX pass rate of 95%.

One thing that I have noticed is that for-profit online institutions do not seem to publish their boards pass rates, and our BON website does not list any for profit online programs under their lists of pass rates for our state.

I realize that I am speaking of an ADN and not APN program, but I feel that it is unfair to nix a school simply based on acceptance rate.

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Specializes in Eventually Midwifery.

From Methodology: Best Health Schools Rankings - US News and World Report

All the health rankings are based solely on the results of peer assessment surveys sent to deans, other administrators, and/or faculty at accredited degree programs or schools in each discipline. All schools surveyed in a discipline were sent the same number of surveys.

Respondents rated the academic quality of programs on a scale of 1 (marginal) to 5 (outstanding). They were instructed to select "don't know" if they did not have enough knowledge to rate a program. Only fully accredited programs in good standing during the survey period are ranked. Those schools with the highest average scores appear in the rankings.

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