Re Registration In France - page 2

Hi out there my name is Sharon ,very new to internet and all of that.This is the story in a nutshell.I am interested in working in France possibly next year 2005.I AM IRISH but currently ... Read More

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    Thanks for the email David. So, the nurses role in France is very technical... IVs, venepuncture, drugs etc. I worked for 3 years as a Community Staff nurse so my blood taking skills are fine. I worked with Hickman lines/central lines too. Not peripheral IVs. That's my main experience of 'technical nursing'. Since then I have worked as a school health nurse which is more health education/promotion (mostly sex-ed due to the highest rate of teenage pregnancy in Europe). I feel that may be I need to update my clinical skills? Especially if french nursing is more technical than UK. Are you working in medical/surgical area? Do you know of school nursing in France? Merci bien. Amicalement,
    Quote from DavidFR
    Hi there,

    France is notorious for it's beaureaucrats, and rules often change from place to place or from day to day depending on the mood!
    It might be worth calling your local DDASS to find out if they require you to have the work offer first, but when I first tried to register in Paris (without work) I was told I needed a "professional address" first, i.e. a work address. I simply went to an agency and registered and then went back to the DDASS with the agency as my "professional address" and they registered me. At first the agency thought they couldn't register me as I'd never worked in the French system, but they telephoned the DDASS who verified that they could register me. With hindsight, those first few agency shifts were nervewracking and it's probably best to have a permanent position first. I was lucky with my first few missions as I worked with other nurses who were very helpful, but it's increasingly common to be sent out on agency as 'THE' trained nurse for the shift, and I'd hate to have faced that before I'd worked in France a little bit!!!

    I would have no worries about getting work if your French is reasonable, such is the shortage here they'll grab you with open arms. I believe Brittany is the only region where the shortage hasn't hit and where getting work can be probmematic. Elsewhere, no worries.

    I needed both my UKCC verification AND a traslation of my certificate. The translation wasn't cheap (about 35 euros per A4 side), however you only need your RGN certificate doing (and your birth certificate - in the long form stating your father's occupation!! If like me you don't have this you'll need to get a copy; for UK births from Somerset House - costing 16 quid). Don't bother getting ENB course certs etc. translated as they mean nothing here. Be warned the UKCC verification only has a 3 month shelf life. The British embassy in Paris (tel: 01 44 51 31 00) gives out a list of recognized translators. I used a lady in Paris from their list called Hélène Varnica, who as I say wasn't cheap, but was very quick and is used to doing nursing/medical translations.

    Getting through French beareaucracy can be daunting, but take comfort in the fact thet it's the same for French people! Rude "fonctionnaires" are something of a national joke, though in fact my experience has been that people are generally helpful, they're just obliged by the rules to verify your last fart and record it in triplicate!

    Bon courage!

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    Quote from johnathan crisp
    Thanks for the email David. So, the nurses role in France is very technical... IVs, venepuncture, drugs etc. I worked for 3 years as a Community Staff nurse so my blood taking skills are fine. I worked with Hickman lines/central lines too. Not peripheral IVs. That's my main experience of 'technical nursing'. Since then I have worked as a school health nurse which is more health education/promotion (mostly sex-ed due to the highest rate of teenage pregnancy in Europe). I feel that may be I need to update my clinical skills? Especially if french nursing is more technical than UK. Are you working in medical/surgical area? Do you know of school nursing in France? Merci bien. Amicalement,
    Bonjours a tous,

    I was thinking of working in France as a nurse too once I got my degree but then thought, "That would probably be extremely difficult as I am an American" and the EU is here so priority is probably given to Europeans. Are most of you guys speaking from within the EU or from Canada?

    I like the idea that French nurses can be more technical and are treated more professional too. Sometimes, when I was in France I was really intimidated by the cold professionalism workers exhibit. (Its a funny contrast with the warm bisous, isn't it?) But, I like it because it seems more starightforward and less superficial than our ways here.

    I'm not sure how well I speak French to native speakers.

    Another thing that really frightens me is the roughness of French society. While I was there as a student, I observed and was straight out told by the natives that their society was very, very stringent. I am asian. I'm wondering if I would have a harder time because of that?

    Y'a quelqu'un qui peut me repondre? Courage a vous tous : )
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    Quote from johnathan crisp
    Thanks for the email David. So, the nurses role in France is very technical... IVs, venepuncture, drugs etc. I worked for 3 years as a Community Staff nurse so my blood taking skills are fine. I worked with Hickman lines/central lines too. Not peripheral IVs. That's my main experience of 'technical nursing'. Since then I have worked as a school health nurse which is more health education/promotion (mostly sex-ed due to the highest rate of teenage pregnancy in Europe). I feel that may be I need to update my clinical skills? Especially if french nursing is more technical than UK. Are you working in medical/surgical area? Do you know of school nursing in France? Merci bien. Amicalement,
    Salut!

    Most major hospitals have their 'Ecole d'Infirmiers' attached to it just like in the good old days in the UK. So if you're planning to go to any relatively large-ish town the hospital will probably be a training centre. Here in Paris one of the biggest is the Pitié Salpretrière (famous as the place Diana died!!!) 41 - 83 boulevard de l'Hôpital, 75013 Paris; one with a very good reputation is the Hôpital Cochin, 27 boulevard St. Jacques, 75014 Paris. Frankly though, I doubt this will be necessary. the French have a very 'learn on the job' approach rather like we did in the UK 20 years ago - they don't have the British obsession for getting bits of paper signed (in this one instance!!) or proving that you've been observed 20 times performing a task. You as the professional have to say if you feel competent or not. For example, I had never canulated before I came to France. While working as an agency nurse the need to cannulate arose - another agency nurse showed me how. The need arose again that shift and that same nurse observed me do one. If you say you ' I never did this in England, please show me' the French are very willing. part of this is that they love to think their training is superior and that their nursing is the best, hence they're only too happy to show off their skills and show you 'their' way! I've come across a French trained nurse who'd never done an ECG, so I wouldn't come over here thinking they'll all be super technically skilled and you'll be able to do nothing - I'm sure it won't be like that.

    I currently work in occ. health where all the ergonomics is new to me, but people are very happy to train me up. When I was doing agency I was constantly offered shifts on psychiatry - I just used to explain that in Britiain it's a separate training and I'd rather take medical/surgical shifts instead - no problem. I can honestly say I've very rarely (in fact only once) come up against this attitude of 'Oh God he couldn't do this and he didn't know that' that British nurses are so good at dishing out!

    It sounds like (like me ) it's only the cannulation you're lacking? Somebody will be willing to show you. If you're OK with drugs, IV's, central lines, observations, dressings, blood taking; that's most of it covered.
    Last edit by DavidFR on May 24, '04
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    Quote from susanna
    Another thing that really frightens me is the roughness of French society. While I was there as a student, I observed and was straight out told by the natives that their society was very, very stringent. I am asian. I'm wondering if I would have a harder time because of that?

    Y'a quelqu'un qui peut me repondre? Courage a vous tous : )

    My experience is that France is no more racist than anywhere else. In Paris I've worked with nurses of all races. It's the same in most large towns. There are large Asian communities here (Indian, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Laotian, Chinese) so an Asian face on the street is nothing extra-ordinary, not to mention the French people of Asian origin from the départements d'outre mer like Réunion. Obviously, if you go to a small lillywhite mountain village in Savoie with a National Front mayor, your life may be uncomfortable, but I would say in most towns and cities your race would not be an issue.
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    I like this thread! I'm moving next month to France (from Canada) and I can't wait...
    For all of you guys who work in France, do you do cardiac, chest assessment??
    Bisous
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    Why not try Belgium? A great, small, country with a shortage of nurses.
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    Theres an english hospital in the centre of paris that offers accomodation and will get you french classes ect. I cant remember the name of it but a friend went for an interview there a few years ago. Look it up on the internet. I dont think she had to register right then and there at all.
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    Quote from I_Love_Donuts
    I like this thread! I'm moving next month to France (from Canada) and I can't wait...
    For all of you guys who work in France, do you do cardiac, chest assessment??
    Bisous

    My experience of hospital work here is that this is done by the doctors.
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    Quote from carcha
    Theres an english hospital in the centre of paris that offers accomodation and will get you french classes ect. I cant remember the name of it but a friend went for an interview there a few years ago. Look it up on the internet. I dont think she had to register right then and there at all.

    Are you sure?
    I work in an International organisation where we advise foreigners where to go for anglophone healthcare and none of us has heard of an anglophone hospital in central Paris. There is a Franco-British hospital (Hôpital Hertford) just outside Paris in a town called Levallois-Perret. Is this where your friend went? If so this is not in Paris and the DDASS concerned would be that covering the département of Hauts de Seine. There is also the American Hospital in Paris, which despite it's name is also outside Paris in Neuilly-sur-Seine, also in Hauts de Seine.
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    Awesome thread.


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