ANYONE else having a HORRIBLE education experience??? - page 2

Hello, I have been a CNA for 8 years. I love patient care and I have finally started to further my education. I have attended a local Technical College for the past couple years for my... Read More

  1. by   mturner88
    I totally understand!!! I'm at Bryant & Stratton now and when I tried to leave I was told no one would accept my credits and I would have to start all over. I started last May (2006) and I graduate this December. I figured I should stay since I only have one more semester let to go.
  2. by   2sc
    I do go to school in GB and my first semseter clinical instructor was wonderful, patient and took the time to explain things to an extent, I mean there were things to do so we couldnt sit there for an hour and chat but ,overall excellent. When my clinical was over I did tell her how much I appreciated her skills and feedback whether it was positive or negative. I needed the critique part for me to learn and grow as an RN. What completely baffles me about the horror stories I have heard is the simple fact that as an instructor wouldnt you want the best students and give the best instruction you possibly can?Within reason anyway. Instead of teaching students to fear you or loathe you as an instructor ? When I train anyone for a job or a role I do my best job to make sure that person understands what I am explaining because essentially that trainer or instructor is reflected in the outcome as well .
  3. by   Richarda8770
    Ok So Which Schools Should I Avoid??????
  4. by   BookwormRN
    Quote from Richarda8770
    Ok So Which Schools Should I Avoid??????
    I don't know that avoiding a school is the way to go. As you can see from the previous posts, ALL schools have their problems! For the most part, I had terrific instructors at NTC in Wausau. Others, well, not so terrific.
    Study, prepare, and as another poster stated, "stay under the radar." Don't be a know-it-all... You should be fine.
    Good luck!
  5. by   intuition
    Hi MTurner88, I was looking into going to Bryant and Stratton can you please elaborate on the problems you have experienced?
  6. by   intuition
    Wow, it sounds like there is a lot more people out there with experiences like mine. I am attending a techinical college in Elkhorn. I was accepted in the RN program back in 2003, but I ended up pregnant. So in fall 2004, I had to withdraw from A&P because of severe hyperemesis. Since I was told I had a 2-3 yr. waiting list, I decided to take a break to finish my family up, since I had the requirements satisfied to start clinicals anyways. When I came back in April of '07 to petition for clinicals they told me I was no longer in the program. But what is interesting is that it wasn't stated anywhere that u had to continue to take classes while waiting to get into clinicals. Plus the school had never sent a warning or notification that I was being dropped. So now I have to re-apply to the program and start at the bottom of the waiting list again even though I have all the requirements filled to begin clinicals. I am sooooo mad. This week was the designated week to sign up for the RN Program, well after I had turned in all the required docs to get accepted, they sent me a letter stating I didn't turn in 2 of the forms that I did turn in. I went today and showed them proof that I did turn in the forms, so now today they accepted me into the RN Program. I can' t believe all this crap. Plus there are multiple stories I have heard from other students with horror stories. I just found in another post that Bryant and Stratton college in Milwaukee doesn't have a waiting list so I was thinking about contacting them. It would get me through a lot faster since I have to wait another 2 years now AGAIN.:angryfire Any advice for me. I wrote the board and president of the college but that got me nowhere. I have thought about contacting the media. There is a nursing shortage coming, and yet they can't get nurses through school. What sense does that make!!
  7. by   BookwormRN
    Quote from intuition
    Wow, it sounds like there is a lot more people out there with experiences like mine. I am attending a techinical college in Elkhorn. I was accepted in the RN program back in 2003, but I ended up pregnant. So in fall 2004, I had to withdraw from A&P because of severe hyperemesis. Since I was told I had a 2-3 yr. waiting list, I decided to take a break to finish my family up, since I had the requirements satisfied to start clinicals anyways. When I came back in April of '07 to petition for clinicals they told me I was no longer in the program. But what is interesting is that it wasn't stated anywhere that u had to continue to take classes while waiting to get into clinicals. Plus the school had never sent a warning or notification that I was being dropped. So now I have to re-apply to the program and start at the bottom of the waiting list again even though I have all the requirements filled to begin clinicals. I am sooooo mad. This week was the designated week to sign up for the RN Program, well after I had turned in all the required docs to get accepted, they sent me a letter stating I didn't turn in 2 of the forms that I did turn in. I went today and showed them proof that I did turn in the forms, so now today they accepted me into the RN Program. I can' t believe all this crap. Plus there are multiple stories I have heard from other students with horror stories. I just found in another post that Bryant and Stratton college in Milwaukee doesn't have a waiting list so I was thinking about contacting them. It would get me through a lot faster since I have to wait another 2 years now AGAIN.:angryfire Any advice for me. I wrote the board and president of the college but that got me nowhere. I have thought about contacting the media. There is a nursing shortage coming, and yet they can't get nurses through school. What sense does that make!!
    Yes, there is a nursing shortage. Unfortunately, there is also a Nursing INSTRUCTOR shortage; there is also limited space in nursing classes/clinicals. This type of situation has happened to more than one person in the WI tech. system. If you aren't actively taking classes, I think it is assumed that you are no longer interested. I am surprised however, that they didn't question your interest. Don't be discouraged, tho!

    If you are as you say, ready for clinicals, and have reapplied to the program, it is possible that you will be bumped up on the waiting list. There will be spots opening up, and many times, if you are "more prepared" than other folks, you will get preference. I was on the list and told it would be 2-2 1/2 years....i got in within 1 1/2 years, during which time I did prereqs....

    Good luck!
  8. by   mturner88
    Quote from intuition
    Hi MTurner88, I was looking into going to Bryant and Stratton can you please elaborate on the problems you have experienced?
    Hello Intuition,

    Because the program is new (2.5yrs or so) there is extreme disorganization. They are making changes and do not notify us of changes until the first day of class. However, the changes that they have made for the incoming cohorts are a lot better. They are starting to incorporate NCLEX question so that you are better prepared. We (Cohort 5) did not have that. We were just given books and told to study with no direction.

    Many students are complaining now that they are in their internship that one of the teachers stated that they have a voluntary test to take that they get no points for, however, if they do not take it, she will deduct 100 points which would cause you to fail the course. Well, doesn't that mean that it is required!? Stuff like that is what gets everyone upset. The teacher was supposed to tell the students the code to take the test last Tuesday and now it's Monday and the students still don't have the code but the test has to be done by this coming Monday.

    Clinical times get changed after you've made arrangements. The lastest I've heard is that for the people who requested internships in my cohort are still waiting on assignments or haven't gotten their assignment yet. Those who haven't gotten any assignments are being forced into an advanced med-surg rotation that they JUST made up a few weeks ago. One of my friend's had to switch her clinicals from Tuesday & Wednesday mornings to Friday mornings, 10hr shifts because the advanced med-surg rotation is Tuesday nights.

    BnS is attempting to change things to make it better. My warning to you is that NO ONE will accept you once you get past Fundamentals so make sure that this program for you or you will have to start all over. We're paying 7500.00 a semester so make sure this is a school that you would want to continue your education.
    Last edit by mturner88 on Oct 9, '07
  9. by   4everpeace
    Hi.

    I live in Northeast wisconsin and am looking at nursing schools. Could you please tell me which school you are having difficulty with? I have heard the same from many students who have gone to the college that I am scheduled to start at in Fall.

    It really doesn't make a whole lot of sense why students are treated this way. I thought nurses were caring, compassionate people. I have also heard the same situtation from many students who have complained to the dean, etc. and have gotten nowhere.

    This really makes me want to choose another field. I have a husband and 6 kids and can't afford any more stress.

    Thanks for your reply and your willingness to be open to others!
  10. by   BookwormRN
    Hi Hugs,
    I live in central/northeast WI also. I attended NTC in Wausau. Similar to Nicolet, there are countless stories that circulate about these schools. (I have no experience with the tech in Green Bay).

    Here are a few words of advice from someone who has been there and seen both the successes (me!) and failures (fellow classmates).

    Nursing school is HARD work. Period. I went back to school after a 13 year break from college; three kids, hubby dog and part time job. I attended ALL of my clinicals, ALL of my classes and did the work that was expected of me. If my work was not up to the expectations, I did not make excuses for myself. I said "OK" and corrected the problem-I also asked questions if I didn't understand something.

    During school, I thought the same thing, "Nurses are supposed to be nurturing, caring people. These instructors sure aren't sympathetic!!"
    Well, now I know why. In the workplace, there is no room for "oops". We are dealing with people's lives. It is the instructor's job to drill that into our heads and make sure we will be competent nurses.

    Yes, some are kinder than others. But you know what? The toughest instructor I had was one of the first to come up and give me a hug after pinning. She was so happy to see us succeed. And you know what? Part of that success was due to her strict standards and expectations.

    No matter where you go, people complain, people succeed and people fail. DON"T LISTEN TO THE COMPLAINERS!!! Once I got that into my head, I had much LESS anxiety.

    You will succeed if you work to succeed. Good luck!
    BookwormRN
  11. by   caliotter3
    Read this thread and it rings a common bell. Yes, there are bad situations in many schools. Some are problematic with the program. Some are problems faced by a single student. I went through an entirely unfortunate situation myself. But what I see as the saddest aspect of it all was that in the end I was not able to graduate. My advice to all nursing students, whether in good programs or programs with problems at the core, study your self to insanity, keep your head down, and your mouth shut. Don't criticize anything or start any fights you don't have the assets to fight with. More than one person in my nursing class went to attorneys to deal with the school. I did not hear of any being successful and I never saw their faces again while I was still there.
  12. by   Dorito
    I agree with many of the other posters. Head down, mouth shut and compliments or praise for your instructor may have a positive effect...*(even if you don't necessarily agree). I had some issues with a couple of instructors when I went back to school and I had been an LPN for over 15 years in MedSurg. (sometimes more experience than the instructors!) Hang in there....all of you....you'll get through it and be great nurses! Keep the faith!
  13. by   PsychNurseWannaBe
    Quote from hug4mom

    It really doesn't make a whole lot of sense why students are treated this way. I thought nurses were caring, compassionate people.
    Yeah...think again! Nurses are not the same as nurses who are instructors. Very elitist and somewhat narcasistic. Furthermore, I have seen them do more discriminating, heckling, shouting, belittling than anyone else. I personally think the BON should watch them teach...
    It is really sad and quite pathetic!


    Seriously approx. 90% of the student body wishes they didn't go to school where I am at. And that has nothing to do with content. I can't wait until I am done. I have definately learned to be a lot better than I was treated... the hypocrisy. :angryfire
    Last edit by PsychNurseWannaBe on Nov 27, '07 : Reason: Fixed a paragraph

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