Anyone Staffed Strikes? - page 3

Have any travellers staffed strikes? As a former traveller, I am looking into this...I still need some excitement/change. What was it like? What companies? Any info would be helpful. Thanks. ... Read More

  1. by   normarae
    Originally posted by nurseyperson:
    I used the wrong word, excitement. No, I don't think crossing the picket line is exciting. But going to different parts of the country and seeing new things, that is, and if you have never travelled, you have no idea.
    Everyone has their right to their opinion. But tell me something. What are strikes for, if not (in part) to better your pay, benefits, working conditions? Is that not selfish and greedy? And who in the world do you expect to take care of the poor patients that are unfortunate enough to be in the hospital at the time of the strike? Managers who haven't done bedside nursing for years? Administration? HA HA! What if the patient was your family? Wouldn't you want experienced nurses taking care of them? Or do you say, "too bad, we are on strike for more money, you don't have anyone to take care of you. You shouldn't have had a heart attack now." HA!
    I do what nurses are supposed to do. Take care of patients. And the hospital will have to pay big time for that to the nurses and the staffing companies. And the more they have to pay, the sooner they will want to settle. We take care of the patients so you can do what you think you need to. I personally wouldn't want a union telling me when to strike or what to do. You are simply under their control, and I have heard plenty of stories about the union not backing what nurses Really want.
    If some of you would rather work at Walmart or wash dishes, that is fine. You must not be the breadwinner in the family.
    And what about crossing picket lines? Are you saying it would be dangerous? Then you are saying you are violent!!!!!! What a nurse. As angry as you all sound, I wouldn't want yout taking care of me in the first place!!!!

  2. by   normarae
    Originally posted by nurseyperson:
    I used the wrong word, excitement. No, I don't think crossing the picket line is exciting. But going to different parts of the country and seeing new things, that is, and if you have never travelled, you have no idea.
    Everyone has their right to their opinion. But tell me something. What are strikes for, if not (in part) to better your pay, benefits, working conditions? Is that not selfish and greedy? And who in the world do you expect to take care of the poor patients that are unfortunate enough to be in the hospital at the time of the strike? Managers who haven't done bedside nursing for years? Administration? HA HA! What if the patient was your family? Wouldn't you want experienced nurses taking care of them? Or do you say, "too bad, we are on strike for more money, you don't have anyone to take care of you. You shouldn't have had a heart attack now." HA!
    I do what nurses are supposed to do. Take care of patients. And the hospital will have to pay big time for that to the nurses and the staffing companies. And the more they have to pay, the sooner they will want to settle. We take care of the patients so you can do what you think you need to. I personally wouldn't want a union telling me when to strike or what to do. You are simply under their control, and I have heard plenty of stories about the union not backing what nurses Really want.
    If some of you would rather work at Walmart or wash dishes, that is fine. You must not be the breadwinner in the family.
    And what about crossing picket lines? Are you saying it would be dangerous? Then you are saying you are violent!!!!!! What a nurse. As angry as you all sound, I wouldn't want yout taking care of me in the first place!!!!



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  3. by   normarae
    I read with interest the union/non u comments. If nurseyperson wants to really find out why nurses are going to strikes try working for hospitals in FLORIDA. There are NO EMPLOYEE RIGHTS IN THIS STATE. If you are suspected of leaning to collaborate among yourselves - you will be fired. And even though the only law regarding employment in Fla is to "give employment dates only" the backstabbing nature (don't know why but it is the major problem nurses work for nothing in this state) of nurses and other non licensed personnel will be happy to pass on their personal not always related to your nursing skills - opinion and you are ostracized from that facility - unless you have a contact who knows someone etc...you get the picture...in that unit that you wish to work. In Florida I have been fired for getting a divorce, his best friend was the hospital attorney, for divorcing a surgeon, (took LOA to avoid harrassment from other docs/anes.)fired again when I was told "there are no positions available for you". What do you do then? move, go on welfare, or do you travel and take the best money you can get? It is NOT GETTING BETTER IN FLORIDA and unless more nurses get those ANA pencil pushers off their duffs(if this is possible) Ive been in nursing 26 years and belong to several certification associations and I have yet to see anything related to the issues I have brought up. I have been in a specialty unit for 18 years - and recently was fired because the new supervisor didn't like my experience level and felt uncomfortable working with me. Now if that hospital went out on strike I would be happy to cross over even more than the one who fired me 3 times. Currently I am trying to survive and keep the wolf from the door by doing days work thru agency which is usually not well accepted by other nurses in the hospitals I work because they are making less money and are under mgts thumb/w/benes. Even on that level a religious private hospital in florida well known nationally requested I not be sent back because I refused to take primary care on tele unit for 30 patients until the other RN they said they would be calling arrived. This is the nature of this "profession" we call nursing.

  4. by   nurseyperson
    Have been away for a while (no, not working a strike yet) and this topic is still hot.
    To answer a few questions.. Sorry conditions in Florida are so bad, I never said I wanted to figure out why nurses are going on strikes. That is their own business.
    I have been a nurse for 15 years, most in critical care,
    some as a travelling nurse, the last 6 or so per diem. Get plenty of work. Would
    rather be home with children. THAT is the most important thing...family. I hate it when you go to work and the powers that be tell you to float to somewhere you haven't worked in a decade, you are forced to work the weekend you child has an important event, you have to work with grouchy, lazy, backstabbing people, (not many of them, but the ones that are there are terrible, and of course that aspect isn't limited to nursing). so I would rather make a lot of money and be able to be home with my family. If people think I do not support fellow nurses, I guess they are right. Since when is that a crime? I am not whining about wages or working conditions, I don't like the political aspect of the whole profession. Nurses are treated like second class people in the hospital, and we are actually the most important ones (in my opinion).
    Sorry, I believe that unless there is a NATION WIDE organization (not necessarily a union, but if that's what it takes, OK), nothing in nursing will change. And when that happens (IF) I will support it. Some people will say it is people like me that is holding it back. Be real. Tell me honestly, what percent of nurses are in unions? Are they really helping? If they are, why are there so many strikes? Can't they work it out before that? I want to go to work, take care of my patients, make good money and not have to deal with the BS, and come home in a good mood to my family. SO WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT?
    And the one question I keep asking, and NO ONE WILL ANSWER>>>> who takes quality care of the patients while you are
    on strike???
    PLEASE ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I am glad there are so many different people in the world, having differing opinions and lives. How about if we start respecting and accepting each other as people first, with those unique characteristics, not resort to name calling and judging. I have not
    put down anyone for supporting unions. More power to them. So how about the same
    for us that just want to take care of the patients and make good money doing it?
    Nurseyperson
  5. by   ccnurse
    Originally posted by nurseyperson:
    I used the wrong word, excitement. No, I don't think crossing the picket line is exciting. But going to different parts of the country and seeing new things, that is, and if you have never travelled, you have no idea.
    Everyone has their right to their opinion. But tell me something. What are strikes for, if not (in part) to better your pay, benefits, working conditions? Is that not selfish and greedy? And who in the world do you expect to take care of the poor patients that are unfortunate enough to be in the hospital at the time of the strike? Managers who haven't done bedside nursing for years? Administration? HA HA! What if the patient was your family? Wouldn't you want experienced nurses taking care of them? Or do you say, "too bad, we are on strike for more money, you don't have anyone to take care of you. You shouldn't have had a heart attack now." HA!
    I do what nurses are supposed to do. Take care of patients. And the hospital will have to pay big time for that to the nurses and the staffing companies. And the more they have to pay, the sooner they will want to settle. We take care of the patients so you can do what you think you need to. I personally wouldn't want a union telling me when to strike or what to do. You are simply under their control, and I have heard plenty of stories about the union not backing what nurses Really want.
    If some of you would rather work at Walmart or wash dishes, that is fine. You must not be the breadwinner in the family.
    And what about crossing picket lines? Are you saying it would be dangerous? Then you are saying you are violent!!!!!! What a nurse. As angry as you all sound, I wouldn't want yout taking care of me in the first place!!!!

  6. by   ccnurse
    I am currently considering doing travel nursing and working strikes. I was surprised to see some of the replys to your original question. These people are pissed! I don't see anything wrong with crossing the picket line. I believe that anyone who is a REAL nurse would be glad that someone is caring for their patients....if I was on strike (which is sort of like abandonment in my eyes) I would be smart enough to realize that someone has to care for the patients. If you do go strike nursing...email me and let me know how it is.. Thanks
    Originally posted by nurseyperson:
    I used the wrong word, excitement. No, I don't think crossing the picket line is exciting. But going to different parts of the country and seeing new things, that is, and if you have never travelled, you have no idea.
    Everyone has their right to their opinion. But tell me something. What are strikes for, if not (in part) to better your pay, benefits, working conditions? Is that not selfish and greedy? And who in the world do you expect to take care of the poor patients that are unfortunate enough to be in the hospital at the time of the strike? Managers who haven't done bedside nursing for years? Administration? HA HA! What if the patient was your family? Wouldn't you want experienced nurses taking care of them? Or do you say, "too bad, we are on strike for more money, you don't have anyone to take care of you. You shouldn't have had a heart attack now." HA!
    I do what nurses are supposed to do. Take care of patients. And the hospital will have to pay big time for that to the nurses and the staffing companies. And the more they have to pay, the sooner they will want to settle. We take care of the patients so you can do what you think you need to. I personally wouldn't want a union telling me when to strike or what to do. You are simply under their control, and I have heard plenty of stories about the union not backing what nurses Really want.
    If some of you would rather work at Walmart or wash dishes, that is fine. You must not be the breadwinner in the family.
    And what about crossing picket lines? Are you saying it would be dangerous? Then you are saying you are violent!!!!!! What a nurse. As angry as you all sound, I wouldn't want yout taking care of me in the first place!!!!

  7. by   nurseyperson
    Thanks for your support. We have the same ideas about nursing.. It now might be quite a while before I staff strikes. I usually work ICU, NICU, and both places are very short staffed at the time. I have also started some classes that will continue thru December and I am Extremely busy. I want to go when things settle down, but problably after the first of the year. I will e-mail you if I do. You do the same.
    And have you noticed...no one will answer that all important question. Who is supposed to take care of the patients if it weren't for the strike-breakers? (someone said that Scabs are nurses originally employed by the hospital that break the strike, not someone coming in from the outside.)

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  8. by   TravelingTexan
    Nurseyperson,
    Good question: "Who takes care of the patients while you are out on strike?"
    Didn't we all get into this profession to do exactly that? take care of the patient?

    Here's another one:
    How many potential good nurses are turned off and turn away from nursing when they see this kind of disrespect and backstabbing among potential peers?

    Just food for thought : )
  9. by   guyrn
    Originally posted by Patricia Smith:
    Well, this IS a very hot topic Indeed--I can't help but wonder in what age group or how long nurseyperson has been a nurse? Five years ago I lost my job because I was attempting to organize a union for nurses...yes, nurseyperson, I am the breadwinner of my family (and with four children--no easy chore) I was fired for "solicitation"--I think I paid the ultimate price for what I believed in! And, due to all of the non-support of my fellow nurses--our union vote didn't go through. I didn't attempt to do this for "money"! It was for my patients--I was tired of not having enough blood pressure cuffs in the recovery room--Administration changed our titles from RN's to PCC (patient care coordinators--so the patient wouldn't know WHO was WHO) Patient care technicians who mopped the floors were performing 12 lead EKG's..I could go on and on. During the time I was "out of work" from the hospital, I worked registry--I made plenty of money and didn't have to step on anybody's toes to do it! YOU are the reason we don't have union's--total NON-SUPPORT of your fellow nurses--SHAME ON YOU!!
    shame on you jimmy hoffa. give the mafia a break and take care of the patients
  10. by   mimawcatclaws1972
    I support those nurses who have the guts to go out on strike for better wages and working conditions. Most of the nurses I know just whine and complain and feel sorry for themselves. The docs in our hospital walked for a few weeks several years ago when they were dissatisfied with the way things were going. Things changed for them after that. I don't think the nurses would ever do that. That would be abandonment. Funny, I really don't see the difference in nurses striking and the docs walking out, but you can be your bottom dollar that there would be a great deal of emotional manipulation toward the nurses if they di strike. Nurses have nevere supported each other or organized as a group with any kind of real negotiating power. All I see is a bunch of self-possessed, backstabbing crybabies who either was someone to feel sorry for them or do their fighting for them. Some of you say "scab" to ones who would take care of our patients so we could fight for what is rightfully ours. Shame on you. I guess you enjoy not having any control over your life and like being treated like a total idiot every day of your life. I do feel sorry for you.
  11. by   pickledpepperRN
    Originally posted by nurseyperson:
    Again I ask, (no one has come up with a good answer) Who takes care of the patients in the hospital during a strike? I really don't know, if it isn't for scabs. Who? Can your conscious really let you abandon those patients?
    If the strike were in my area and/or my hospital, NO, I would not cross the picket line if I knew there would be experienced nurses to take care of MY patients. And all the patients in my unit are MY patients. But in a totally different part of the United States, Yes, I would, because I would be one of the experienced nurses that they can depend on.
    And as I said, I have heard many negative things about strikes, that they don't actually support you on the things that you really want and need. I, for one, would not want to be told that I HAD to strike, make virtually no money and get what the union decides to settle for.


    First look up djburke.com
    Union Busters who charge millions.
    I have not been on strike myself but would if the staffing, lack of equipment were killing MY PATIENTS while Tenet, Columbia, or the management at my hospital were getting rich on the blood money.
    I was with friends on their picket line. The nurses had assisted the transport of the patients to other hospitals.Critical care RNs worked alongside managers caring for those too sick for transport. (But they would transport them for insurance reasons). While on the picket line a man drove up with a woman in a late stage of labor. A L&D nurse took them to the floor, assisted with the delivery, gave report to her manager and returned to the picket line.
    This was a one day strike, but the hospital locked the nurses out for FIVE days while they used the US Nursing workers to bring the patients back and admit more. This cost the hospital a LOT of money.
    If you want the excitement of travel why not use one of the reputable travel agencies. Travel nurses are a great asset. Many come on staff. Others love to travel.
    I have to say I would NEVER cross a nurses picket line. I would volunteer first! (Yes, I do volunteer my time and give my blood).
    Oh, the union does NOT tell you to go on strike. There is an election requiring either 60% or 2/3 of the nurses voting to strike.My memory is unclear on this) In one strike many nurses in a specialty area promised to work with the blessing of the other nurses (Therefore the union)
    Are there any unsafe situations where you would know you had to quit or strike? If not can you just give fragmented, incomplete care day after day? Is it better to quit? What happens to patients when we all get to that point?
    My opinion is that the most greedy hospital wants to break the spirit of those who advocate for better care. Why else would they say it is impossible to staff adequately then hire strikebreakers at $5,000.00 a week each? To get the active advocates replaced with those they think are like them (I don't think you are like this)heartless, uncaring, in denial that what happens to patients could happen to THEM, or just in it for the money.
    Do you really think nurses strike just for money?

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  12. by   pickledpepperRN
    Originally posted by nurseyperson:
    I used the wrong word, excitement. No, I don't think crossing the picket line is exciting. But going to different parts of the country and seeing new things, that is, and if you have never travelled, you have no idea.
    Everyone has their right to their opinion. But tell me something. What are strikes for, if not (in part) to better your pay, benefits, working conditions? Is that not selfish and greedy? And who in the world do you expect to take care of the poor patients that are unfortunate enough to be in the hospital at the time of the strike? Managers who haven't done bedside nursing for years? Administration? HA HA! What if the patient was your family? Wouldn't you want experienced nurses taking care of them? Or do you say, "too bad, we are on strike for more money, you don't have anyone to take care of you. You shouldn't have had a heart attack now." HA!
    I do what nurses are supposed to do. Take care of patients. And the hospital will have to pay big time for that to the nurses and the staffing companies. And the more they have to pay, the sooner they will want to settle. We take care of the patients so you can do what you think you need to. I personally wouldn't want a union telling me when to strike or what to do. You are simply under their control, and I have heard plenty of stories about the union not backing what nurses Really want.
    If some of you would rather work at Walmart or wash dishes, that is fine. You must not be the breadwinner in the family.
    And what about crossing picket lines? Are you saying it would be dangerous? Then you are saying you are violent!!!!!! What a nurse. As angry as you all sound, I wouldn't want yout taking care of me in the first place!!!!

    Do you never get angry when you have to choose which important patient needs you must ignore? Do you not know that kind, gentle nurses are human enough to get angry?

    The Hospital has TEN DAYS to take the nurses concerns seriously. For instance they can actually negotiate in good faith even on staffing language.(In California most strike notices do not end in strikes. Due to the new strikebreaking companies they can result in nurses who held a vote deciding not to strike, or got management talking thus averting the need to strike being locked out so the contracted scabs can work!) If not it is the hospitals responsibility to transfer the patients and postpone elective procedures.
    Is it GREED to want enough staff to care for your patients?
    Is it GREED to think a Hospital should not be allowed to retaliate against a nurse who reports abuse?
    Is it GREED to want management to pay attention to the knowledge of nurses?
    Is it GREED to be aware that an RN knows better how many patients are safe than a non nurse manager?
    Is it GREED to insist on enough gloves & gowns etc. to protect our patients and our own lives from infections?
    Is it GREED to want to pick up your children instead of doing mandatory overtime? To want some family time?
    Is it GREED that makes a nurse volunteer for better patient care?
    Well then I am greedy!
    I am so greedy I will attend the MNM on my own time and pay my own expenses!

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  13. by   pickledpepperRN
    Originally posted by INC:
    Give Jeff a call at Fastaff. They have a strike that has been going since Dec. 21st 1999 and no end in sight. We worked it for 5 1/2 months and enjoyed it and the money. Thay also have other strikes coming up.
    Well I looked up your bio. Not surprised that you own a business, not care for patients. "Enjoyed a strike"
    I pray for such people.


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