Hiring outlook for ADN vs. BSN in your town? - page 8

Hey y'all, I am wondering what the job outlook is like in your town for an ADN vs. a BSN. Are hospitals still as willing to hire ADNs? ADNs, how fast were you able to find work when you graduated?... Read More

  1. Visit  sugarmagnoliaRN profile page
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    Thank you Vitalsmiles! It is especially good for me to keep in mind that THR and Presby don't offer tuition reimbursement! That is definitely good advice, and I do plan on getting a part time job as a nurse tech while I'm in school (I always said I wouldn't get a job when I went back to school if I could help it, but it definitely makes sense to get some experience under my belt). It's also reassuring to hear that El Centro's program is doing such a good job getting their students ready for employment! I'm applying to Brookhaven for the Spring 2012 semester... are their rates similar or does El Centro have a big advantage by being downtown near major hospitals?
  2. Visit  VitalSmiles17 profile page
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    Hmmm I don't really know how it's going for Brookhaven students, although I did have friend who graduated from Brookhaven last May, and she got a job on a tele floor at Baylor Plano without any tech experience. Also, for my L&D rotation, I remember meeting a GN from Brookhaven who was completing her L&D residency, and she landed 1 of 5 spots at that time.

    I'm not sure where they do their clinicals, but it seems like El Centro has consistently rotated their students through some of the big hospitals downtown, partially due to some of the instructors that have been around for so long. For example, over the past semesters, some hospitals that have usually been consistent options for clinicals are Parkland, Methodist hospitals, VA for your 1st sem., and Scottish Rite for Peds. For the most part, except for the last semester of precepted clinicals, our options for clinicals at El Centro were usually between big hospitals in the dallas metroplex, but it really varies between semesters.
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    Also, it's not so much the school getting you ready for employment as it is being aggressive, putting yourself out there and seeking employment or externships early. I'll still be graduating with a number of students who don't have jobs lined up yet, and most of them are either going to re-apply for jobs after passing N-CLEX, or are going to go straight into bridging for their BSN. Nowadays, El Centro is partnering up with UTA for this RN-BSN bridge program as well.
  4. Visit  sugarmagnoliaRN profile page
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    Good point. Thank you for sharing real, relatable information - I really do appreciate it! I didn't know El Centro was partnering with UTA - that's awesome that schools are doing that! I know quad C partners with TWU and Brookhaven partners with Texas Tech so I'll hopefully be doing Tech's online RN-BSN bridge once I'm done at Brookhaven.
  5. Visit  PortlandOR profile page
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    Quote from onaclearday
    Sugar, that little "issue" about all that money is a big one!

    I know many who are in the hole right now. It is a huge shame, and they are in financial ruin. Thing is, nursing employment is so bad right now with the back log of newer nurses that it can't turn around. The only advice I can give you is if you have a way of meeting and really getting to know a DON as well as experienced nurses at a hospital near you your chances are better. Your connections need to be of this kind. I routinely advise against nursing to highschool juniors and have given parents the "tools" to check things out, and this has changed what major their kids will follow for bachelor's degree. If you want to do nursing in these times, I'd work, and do an ADN. That way you can pay off your debt, and it might buy you some time to see what happens with the economy. But as I've said the US is saturated with nurses, and so many are in line ahead of you working ridiculous jobs in healthcare -- but they will no matter what be ahead of any new grads come any large scale upward economic change for nursing in this country.

    I wish I could put up a banner somewhere so I could stop the innocent from being hurt, LOL.
    Hey onaclearday! I happen to agree with you. I will be graduating a 1 yr. LVN program in August and although I have signed up for Fall courses to complete my prereqs for the ADN bridging program, I am truly concerned as to whether it will be worth it to invest the extra time & money into getting an RN. I am an older student and wouldn't even consider an RN program except that the field does offer more options for older nurses. However, I am concerned that being older and being a 'new' graduate is seriously going to hurt my employment chances. I've been hearing that the market is flooded w/new graduate nurses right now & depends on where you are located & who you know as to whether you get hired. I am a licensed CNA and haven't been able to get hired at the local hospitals.....nursing homes yes, hospitals no. What do you think? Should I invest the extra year or try to find work as an LVN?
  6. Visit  Sweetpea1301 profile page
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    SugarMagnolia, we meet again! I will be graduating before you join BHC's program, bummer. We did just find out last month that Texas Health resources hospitals are not hiring ADN's- that means no Presby. Like VitalSmiles suggessted, your best option for getting into one of those facilities (or any for that matter) is to get some experience as a tech, or even a volunteer in a hospital. Many hospitals hire techs, and a few offer nurse externships (like an internship during school). Baylor is starting to get pretty picky and they "say" they won't hire ADN's, but a friend of mine just graduated in May and was hired by them on the condition that she have her bachelors degree within 18 months. The issue with the ADN is that DFW hospitals are trying to gain magnet status. Magnet status is basically an elite status that hospitals acquire by meeting certain standards that go "above and beyond". One of those standards is having a ratio of advanced degree nurses, in this case Bachelor's and above. Magnet status means they get more federal money, and usually more patients, because they want to go to the best facilities. The debate of ADN vs BSN will continue, and in this economy either route will be just fine. You will be able to find a job as an ADN, though you may have to search outside of your desired specialty or radius. Experience, including grades in school is ultimately what gets you the job in DFW nowdays. And you live in Rowlett, right? You should look into TWU's online one year bachelor's program. The curriculum is strictly online, though you can opt for a partial-campus based program. There are two options for this: CCCCD (Collin County) has a new Higher Education Center and they host TWU classes, or you can attend TWU's nursing campus downtown adjacent to UTSouthwestern/parkland/Children's. I went there last summer for Patho and it was great! TWU is the least expensive university in north Texas for Nursing. I made the choice to go ADN so I can work and get experience for a year while I complete my bachelor's, then get a raise after a year of experience and completion of my degree. Also, most hospitals offer tuition reimbursement for you continuing your education. As far as El Centro getting clinicals at big hospitals, their campus is closer to many big hospitals. Schools tend to rotate in their area so they are not fighting each other for space. This semester BHC rotates through Methodist downtown, and in the fall we will have spots at Parkland for OB and psych. Like VitalSmiles said, network with the nurses that you learn from, and make all your clinicals a working interview. You never know who will remember you when you need them most...
  7. Visit  sugarmagnoliaRN profile page
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    Thanks Sweetpea!! You have been so helpful here and with all the Brookhaven info and I appreciate your insight!
  8. Visit  chelsea2184 profile page
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    I believe my hosptal in Garland is only hiring BSNs now.
  9. Visit  not.done.yet profile page
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    Two classmates have talked to Med Ctr of Plano and Medical City recruiters. Both were were informed only BSN need apply for the upcoming internships.

    UTSW will still take 2 year RNs, as will Parkland, Methodist Richardson and Med Ctr of McKinney. Baylor, Presby/THR both say no to ADN as well from what I am seeing.

    There's going to be a pretty tight scramble for those internships that will accept ADN it sounds like.
  10. Visit  blondbrownie profile page
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    I feel like most schools would not even still have existing federally and state funded ADN nursing programs if there was going to be a dramatic "by the year 2018" all hospitals are going to only hire BSN nurses.  That would be a total waste of government granted and federally financial aided money to people and with budgets, elections, and colleges showing legitimate funding reasons needed it would be a total hipocracy for then to suddenly say oh no only BSN nurses can work in hospitals.  There are not enough LTC facilities to support educating all the ADN nursing students, and the government okays the amount of medicare and medicaid bed facilities in a given area.  So it is not like the government is going to then turn around and say oh yeah all the money we funded for the education of ADN RN's will be supported by new jobs created by immediate federal and state funded nursing homes that are going to be approved and built by 2018.  So unless BSN's are wanted by the military for service, why would this huge rush of "only BSN's for all hospitals in the USA by a certain year" be true.  
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    Quote from blondbrownie
    I feel like most schools would not even still have existing federally and state funded ADN nursing programs if there was going to be a dramatic "by the year 2018" all hospitals are going to only hire BSN nurses.  That would be a total waste of government granted and federally financial aided money to people and with budgets, elections, and colleges showing legitimate funding reasons needed it would be a total hipocracy for then to suddenly say oh no only BSN nurses can work in hospitals.  There are not enough LTC facilities to support educating all the ADN nursing students, and the government okays the amount of medicare and medicaid bed facilities in a given area.  So it is not like the government is going to then turn around and say oh yeah all the money we funded for the education of ADN RN's will be supported by new jobs created by immediate federal and state funded nursing homes that are going to be approved and built by 2018.  So unless BSN's are wanted by the military for service, why would this huge rush of "only BSN's for all hospitals in the USA by a certain year" be true.  
    You may not think there are enough LTC facilities to justify educating ADN nurses, but nurses at those facilities are generally spread insanely thin. And I think ADN programs are still going to be around as the shift starts moving toward BSN-prepared nurses in hospitals, because getting an ADN and then bridging to a BSN is a lot more feasible for people on a budget. Also, I wasn't really asking if we all think that the government is going to somehow mandate that nurses in hospitals need to have a BSN, I was asking what the hiring looked like across the country for BSN vs. ADN. It varies widely by region, and as you can see in not.done.yet's post, it even varies within each city.
  12. Visit  tx05 profile page
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    Personally, in the current hiring enviornment, I think anybody who is considering BSN vs ADN needs to go for a BSN. I know in my city, most of the major hospitals are BSN only, and even those that look at ADN's, only a small percent of new grads have an ADN.

    I just graduated with a BSN a couple months back and a large amount of people in my class are still searching for jobs. In addition, the people I've spoken to who graduated with ADN's in the last couple years mentioned how many of their classmates took months or even over a year to find a hospital job. A lot of them had to resort to working in a LTC facility while they waited. I've read San Antonio is a little more ADN friendly, but DFW and Houston is brutal right now even for BSN's.

    I think the extra pre-reqs and time are more than worth the better job prospects. If you can in any way make it work, go for the BSN.

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