Minority SRNA/CRNA's - page 6

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  1. by   I_am_Julia
    it's unfortunate that some people want to believe that racism and discrimination doesn't exist. it does...it's alive. even if one person experienced it, that validates it's existance.
  2. by   TJ8A
    Quote from i_am_julia
    it's unfortunate that some people want to believe that racism and discrimination doesn't exist. it does...it's alive. even if one person experienced it, that validates it's existance.
    bigfoot and nessie are validated then too.
  3. by   lacedmm1
    Quote from TJ8A
    Bigfoot and Nessie are validated then too.
    Wow! It must be nice to be someone who has never been discriminated against and to be able to believe that racism is in the same category as the Bigfoot and the Lockness monster...I guess ignorace is bliss!!!
  4. by   realist
    [quote=TJ8A;2296093]Bigfoot and Nessie are validated then too.[/quot
    I guess TJ8A is showing his or her NAIVETY again..............
  5. by   I_am_Julia
    wow to have discrimnation compared to an animal speaks a lot to how you feel about discrimation. wow..again we have along way to go.

    Quote from tj8a
    bigfoot and nessie are validated then too.
  6. by   TJ8A
    Quote from TJ8A
    Bigfoot and Nessie are validated then too.
    I was commenting on the "proof" in your statement about if 'one person experienced it, that's proof it exists'. That's not the proof Zozzy was talking about. That was an opinion. He was asking for solid evidence from the poster that bashed all aneshtesia schools in Michigan by saying they are all discriminatory against African Americans because she was denied entry into their programs. I'd say she was painting with a wide brush; rather discriminatory statements of her own. Furthermore, your statements (and a few others) about my views and my own personal experiences with racism and discrimination are inflammatory and pure conjecture.

    Have a good day.
  7. by   realist
    Quote from TJ8A
    I was commenting on the "proof" in your statement about if 'one person experienced it, that's proof it exists'. That's not the proof Zozzy was talking about. That was an opinion. He was asking for solid evidence from the poster that bashed all aneshtesia schools in Michigan by saying they are all discriminatory against African Americans because she was denied entry into their programs. I'd say she was painting with a wide brush; rather discriminatory statements of her own. Furthermore, your statements (and a few others) about my views and my own personal experiences with racism and discrimination are inflammatory and pure conjecture.

    Have a good day.
    Tj8A, I think that you need to do your research. Have you ever heard of institutionalized discrimination? It is very hard to prove.... It is like baking a cake and knowing that an egg should have been included (although you left it out) and then asking the person who is tasting the cake to tell you what is missing. Also, I figured since you were so emotional concerning Ms. Worthless's CRNA program at Wayne State Univ. that you would have contacted her to give the statistists as to how many AAs are in programs in Michigan. I think if you weighed the numbers that apply, with the numbers that are accepted YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED........
  8. by   TJ8A
    Quote from realist
    Tj8A, I think that you need to do your research. Have you ever heard of institutionalized discrimination? It is very hard to prove.... It is like baking a cake and knowing that an egg should have been included (although you left it out) and then asking the person who is tasting the cake to tell you what is missing. Also, I figured since you were so emotional concerning Ms. Worthless's CRNA program at Wayne State Univ. that you would have contacted her to give the statistists as to how many AAs are in programs in Michigan. I think if you weighed the numbers that apply, with the numbers that are accepted YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED........
    To answer your question: Yes, I know what institutionalized discrimination is. As it pertains to African Americans, I've read several books by McWhorter, et al. dealing with this subject specifically. My opinion is that your claim of institutionalized racism in all CRNA programs in Michigan is hollow; based on your evidence.

    I understand you're upset about not being accepted into school. However, I caution you from making disparaging remarks against a well-respected, highly educated African American CRNA program direcotor as a means of "venting". I do not know Ms. Worth CRNA, PhD (not Worthless as you call her) personally. However, I have attended minority confereneces in which she has spoken. She is a CHAMPION of minority nursing progressionism. The only reason I ever got involved in this whole discussion is because it disappoints me when people toss baseless, derogatory statements out there for all pre-CRNA students to read and form opinions about certain programs without all the facts.

    I did not apply to nor do I attend WSU and have no connection to that program whatsoever. Also, I have no application/admission statistics from their program available to me. However, I did do a little more research as Realist suggested. Here's what I found:

    Wayne State University CRNA class of 2007: 2 African Americans out of 16 students. (12.5%).
    http://wizard.pharm.wayne.edu/anesth/alumni.htm

    African American Nurses (RN's and LPN's) nationally: (4.68%) based on 2000 census data

    African American Nurses (RN's) in Michigan (active): (6%) based on voluntary Survey of Nurses 2005.
    http://www.michigancenterfornursing....survey2005.pdf

    African American Critical Care Nursing Membership nationwide: (4%) based on May 2007 voluntary survey.
    http://www.aacn.org/AACN/Memship.nsf...mographics.pdf

    African American CRNA's nationally: (2.1%) According the AANA
    http://www.minoritynurse.com/feature.../08-18-03.html

    So, there you have it. I'd say Ms. Worth is doing well in recruiting minority nurses into her program given the numbers. Also remember that Michigan passed Proposal 2 (similar to California's Prop 209) in 2006 and race can no longer be considered a factor in the admissions process.


    TJ8A
  9. by   realist
    Quote from TJ8A
    To answer your question: Yes, I know what institutionalized discrimination is. As it pertains to African Americans, I've read several books by McWhorter, et al. dealing with this subject specifically. My opinion is that your claim of institutionalized racism in all CRNA programs in Michigan is hollow; based on your evidence.

    I understand you're upset about not being accepted into school. However, I caution you from making disparaging remarks against a well-respected, highly educated African American CRNA program direcotor as a means of "venting". I do not know Ms. Worth CRNA, PhD (not Worthless as you call her) personally. However, I have attended minority confereneces in which she has spoken. She is a CHAMPION of minority nursing progressionism. The only reason I ever got involved in this whole discussion is because it disappoints me when people toss baseless, derogatory statements out there for all pre-CRNA students to read and form opinions about certain programs without all the facts.

    I did not apply to nor do I attend WSU and have no connection to that program whatsoever. Also, I have no application/admission statistics from their program available to me. However, I did do a little more research as Realist suggested. Here's what I found:

    Wayne State University CRNA class of 2007: 2 African Americans out of 16 students. (12.5%).
    http://wizard.pharm.wayne.edu/anesth/alumni.htm

    African American Nurses (RN's and LPN's) nationally: (4.68%) based on 2000 census data

    African American Nurses (RN's) in Michigan (active): (6%) based on voluntary Survey of Nurses 2005.
    http://www.michigancenterfornursing....survey2005.pdf

    African American Critical Care Nursing Membership nationwide: (4%) based on May 2007 voluntary survey.
    http://www.aacn.org/AACN/Memship.nsf...mographics.pdf

    African American CRNA's nationally: (2.1%) According the AANA
    http://www.minoritynurse.com/feature.../08-18-03.html

    So, there you have it. I'd say Ms. Worth is doing well in recruiting minority nurses into her program given the numbers. Also remember that Michigan passed Proposal 2 (similar to California's Prop 209) in 2006 and race can no longer be considered a factor in the admissions process.


    TJ8A
    TJ8A, the statistics you've presented are completely shallow and based on a few comparisons (i.e class of 2007 admissions). You are emotionally attached to someone who you've had no direct interaction with. Your idealization is based on a persons education, title and a few presentations that you've attended. Also this forum was established, so that individuals could express their opinions irregards to what others think. Your opinion to my posting as being baseless and derogatory is just that, your opinion and mentioning Proposal 2 is just plain interesting to me. Again, Purely Naive..............
  10. by   Yendis
    Racism is well and alive! I wish some people would just face it!!
  11. by   gutz
    Worked with a group of 80 CRNA"s they come in all colors and sizes. God Bless America !
  12. by   student79
    Hello You all -

    I've been reading your posts on here for a while. Anyway, I am a Black RN who just started working in the CVICU at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta. I just graduated nursing school a year ago. Anyway, I really want to go to CRNA school. I'm planning on starting RN to BSN school in summer, and end that by next spring, just in time to apply for CRNA school for next fall. I already have a Bachelors Degree, but in Computer Science. Here are my stats:

    Degree: BS Computer Science
    Overall GPA: 3.3

    Degree: AS Nursing
    Overall GPA: 3.5

    By the time I apply to CRNA school I should have 1 year on a Cardiovascular Stepdown unit and 1 year CVICU experience. I also have ACLS, PALS, and BLS. I am hoping to take the CCRN also. Hopefully I can bring up my Nursing GPA even more by the time I take the BSN courses. I worked at my job 40 hours full-time all through Nursing School as a Senior Project Manager and was able to keep the GPA stable enough. I won't be working in CRNA school but I dunno if they'll even take that into consideration how I wa able to work off my butt and prioritize, rather than picking a 4.0 student (God, I had to work to earn a living ya know). Do you think I have a good chance? I don't even know where to apply at this point. Any suggestions and tips will be greatly appreciated!! God Bless.
  13. by   armynse
    Quote from student79
    Hello You all -

    I've been reading your posts on here for a while. Anyway, I am a Black RN who just started working in the CVICU at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta. I just graduated nursing school a year ago. Anyway, I really want to go to CRNA school. I'm planning on starting RN to BSN school in summer, and end that by next spring, just in time to apply for CRNA school for next fall. I already have a Bachelors Degree, but in Computer Science. Here are my stats:

    Degree: BS Computer Science
    Overall GPA: 3.3

    Degree: AS Nursing
    Overall GPA: 3.5

    By the time I apply to CRNA school I should have 1 year on a Cardiovascular Stepdown unit and 1 year CVICU experience. I also have ACLS, PALS, and BLS. I am hoping to take the CCRN also. Hopefully I can bring up my Nursing GPA even more by the time I take the BSN courses. I worked at my job 40 hours full-time all through Nursing School as a Senior Project Manager and was able to keep the GPA stable enough. I won't be working in CRNA school but I dunno if they'll even take that into consideration how I wa able to work off my butt and prioritize, rather than picking a 4.0 student (God, I had to work to earn a living ya know). Do you think I have a good chance? I don't even know where to apply at this point. Any suggestions and tips will be greatly appreciated!! God Bless.
    Unfortunately, anesthesia programs will not give you any credit for working FT and maintaining your GPA. Your GPA, however, speaks for itself. You are definitely competitive based upon your GPA. Have you taken the GRE? If not, you will have to focus on it at some point in the near future. The GRE is one of those necessary evils that you will have difficulty avoiding. However, there are schools in the northeastern U.S. that are doing away with the GRE requirement all together.

    As far as schools, there are plenty of good schools surrounding you in the southeast portion of the country. One school in particular, LSUHSC, has received a 1.2 million dollar grant to be used for recruiting and educating minority nurses due to the lack of adequate minority representation in nursing especially in advanced practice. I am a graduate of LSUHSC and recommend their programs to anyone considering nursing school. Their CRNA program is somewhat new and a little disorganized, but they definitely offer a quality education. Good luck in your endeavor...

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