difference between Nurse Anesthetist and anesthesiologist - page 6

is a anesthesiologist the same as a nurse anesthetist? Just wondering although I am not yet even a pre-nursing student because in my life I have had four surgeries and may, in the near future,... Read More

  1. by   jewelcutt
    Sometimes you just get sick of hearing crap for so long that you snap. Of course there are some nurses that suck, just like any profession, but most nurses work their butts off day after day. Blah, Blah, Blah, heard it all before, the truth of the matter is that all CRNAs and SRNAs were excellent nurses that worked extremely hard, period. I know this because they wouldn't have gotten in to school if they hadn't worked hard. I am merely making some valid points, you can't just go around assuming things about one's profession unless you've thoroughly researched it or experienced it yourself. That post was written after I spent my usual 14 hour day of clinical, studying, and preparing for the next day. You know, I can force myself to smile and swallow a thousand times in the OR to horrible OR nurses, PACU nurses, Surgeons, MDAs, and CRNAs, but at some point you aren't going to listen to someone with no knowledge of your profession tell you how it is. The reason we are so sensitive about this issue is because we work damn hard for a long time to be able to practice anesthesia. To simply galavant into this forum with petty generalizations will only provoke others to defend themselves. It also gets really tiring having to view this same type of thread a thousand times, one could really just search the forum instead of stirring the pot again. All SRNAs, are you looking forward to Washington D.C. as much as I am? :beercuphe Kat, sorry about the ***** slapping HA! You know I'm definitely not talking about you.
  2. by   versatile_kat
    No need to apologize jewel - I can feel your rage and completely agree! And yes - I'm looking forward to the excellent educational experience awaiting me in DC this August ...
  3. by   heartICU
    Quote from versatile_kat
    And yes - I'm looking forward to the excellent educational experience awaiting me in DC this August ...
    I will be there!
  4. by   sonessrna
    Quote from heartICU
    I will be there!
    I'll be there...
  5. by   Businessman
    The CRNA - anesthesiologist threads will always ignite fires and alter tempers.
    If you are a CRNA (SRNA) and care about this issue, take that hate and convert it in constructive (long-lasting) energy: become a AANA member, take part in the meetings, write letters to your representative about protecting your hard-earned rights.
    Getting upset on a BB is not worth it. It will only give you a headache and it'll spoil your day.
    Be smart and pick your battles. The winners are always those who are shrewd planners and executers.


    Businessman
  6. by   yoga crna
    Quote from Businessman
    The CRNA - anesthesiologist threads will always ignite fires and alter tempers.
    If you are a CRNA (SRNA) and care about this issue, take that hate and convert it in constructive (long-lasting) energy: become a AANA member, take part in the meetings, write letters to your representative about protecting your hard-earned rights.
    Getting upset on a BB is not worth it. It will only give you a headache and it'll spoil your day.
    Be smart and pick your battles. The winners are always those who are shrewd planners and executers.


    Businessman
    Businessman
    This is excellent advise and I hope everyone takes heart. We have to play the political game better than everyone else. No one will do it for us and we are very naive if we don't understand that. Someone will make decisions that will impact your future--so get involved.
    Yoga
  7. by   Brenna's Dad
    Some excellent posts in this thread.

    I agree with yoga about the value of anesthesia. Sure, we make it look easy, but that's only because we're so damn good. I don't know too many people who would knowlingly administer drugs to people while realizing that they have 4 minutes (if they're lucky) to establish an airway before the person dies. And that's only the start of the day...and only the tip of the iceburg.

    Anesthesia is stressful stuff. Every anesthesia provider, whether physician or nurse anesthetist, deserves every penny that they make.
  8. by   athomas91
    this thread has been....let's say interesting...
    i just wanted to add this point (opinion) about salary
    of course compensation is a contributing factor - but take into account (ramiro) - my CRNA training will cost me over 85k - so not all programs are less expensive - and we don't get paid the residency (even though a pittiance it is something)

    i went to the ER the other nite with my husband who was in an MVC - i am a ER/Trauma nurse - and it just happens they took him to one of my old haunts...
    i wasn't there for a 1/2 hour before patients started pissing me off with their stupid complaints and rude behavior - so i can VERY HONESTLY say that i would definately do anesthesia for what i made as a nurse (which by the way wasn't bad- but not nearly what i will make)
    it isn't all about the money - it is about sanity and passion as well.
    have a good one.
  9. by   mwbeah
    I personally believe that every time a post like this appears, it should be erased. I have been a culprit at times of feeding these posts, but after reflecting on this topic these posts do not serve in the best interests of our practice. They only provide a medium for the conflict to grow.

    The bottom line is this, CRNAs, MDAs, and AAs are here to stay. The patient load continues to increase as technology evolves. The rate of increase of anesthesia providers of any kind (depending on the year) is greatly insufficient to meet the need. Being confrontational between groups hinders every practice setting and our patients suffer. We win our fights by what we do, we prove everyday that we are safe providers and let our deeds speak for themselves.

    We have to focus our energy not in fueling this fire in these message board settings. We have to turn our energy into how can we DEFEND OUR PRACTICE. The time and place for that is not here, the misinformation that is spewed clouds the issue. Many people are posting without actually having first hand knowledge or "some" knowledge and that can be dangerous.

    Our battles are being fought by our respective organizations. They deserve our energy and support, don't waste it here.

    Have a great day,
    Mike
  10. by   deepz
    Quote from mwbeah
    I personally believe that every time a post like this appears, it should be erased. I have been a culprit at times of feeding these posts, but after reflecting on this topic these posts do not serve in the best interests of our practice. They only provide a medium for the conflict to grow. .....

    ....Our battles are being fought by our respective organizations. They deserve our energy and support, don't waste it here......
    Beg to differ here. We CANNOT leave it to the AANA to fight all our battles for us. Whenever the hearts and minds of newbies and wannabees are being fed lies and misleading A$A bulls**t it is incumbent on those of us in the know to call their bluff. CRNAs are every bit as safe and far more cost-effective than MDAs; that's the main fact the A$A wants to bury. Keep on telling the truth, CRNAs; the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

    As I posted previously on this thread:

    ........."In short, CRNAs legally practice independently (of any MDA) in all States. All 50 of them. And, thanks to Uncle Sam, in quite a few foreign countries. Not to mention at sea."

    deepz
  11. by   mwbeah
    Quote from deepz
    Beg to differ here. We CANNOT leave it to the AANA to fight all our battles for us. Whenever the hearts and minds of newbies and wannabees are being fed lies and misleading A$A bulls**t it is incumbent on those of us in the know to call their bluff. CRNAs are every bit as safe and far more cost-effective than MDAs; that's the main fact the A$A wants to bury. Keep on telling the truth, CRNAs; the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

    As I posted previously on this thread:

    ........."In short, CRNAs legally practice independently (of any MDA) in all States. All 50 of them. And, thanks to Uncle Sam, in quite a few foreign countries. Not to mention at sea."

    deepz
    I am one of those "Uncle Sam" providers who has been behind the screen when the 22 year old soldier comes to the Army OR with his limbs blown off, or an RPG doesn't explode and rips through him..... My energy and focus is best spent making myself the best provider for him that I can be. When your in the Combat Zone your practice doesn't get anymore autonomous.

    I find replying to misinformation is appropriate in certain instances, but with some of these postings it is very apparent that people (non anesthesia providers) attempt to stir the pot. I personally am not going to waste my time and acknowledge them with a response. I consider myself a great ambassador for the practice and every opportunity I have in the OR I am promoting the practice. This forum is what it is, feel free to share your views, I am offering mine.

    Mike
  12. by   Sheri257
    Quote from deepz
    Beg to differ here. We CANNOT leave it to the AANA to fight all our battles for us. Whenever the hearts and minds of newbies and wannabees are being fed lies and misleading A$A bulls**t it is incumbent on those of us in the know to call their bluff. CRNAs are every bit as safe and far more cost-effective than MDAs; that's the main fact the A$A wants to bury. Keep on telling the truth, CRNAs; the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

    As I posted previously on this thread:

    ........."In short, CRNAs legally practice independently (of any MDA) in all States. All 50 of them. And, thanks to Uncle Sam, in quite a few foreign countries. Not to mention at sea."

    deepz
    You have a point here. It's not just newbies or wannabees who don't know this information. I'm constantly surprized by the number of people who work in hospitals who either don't know what a CRNA is (usually in MDA dominated facilities) or, they think CRNA's are unsafe or, they think CRNA's have to be supervised by an MDA. From what I can tell, the only people who know the correct information are those who personally know or have worked with CRNAs.

    If a lot of people who work in hospitals don't know these basic facts you can bet the general public is clueless. IMHO, message boards aren't enough. The AANA should probably consider a broad public information campaign that goes far beyond what's been done in the past.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on May 22, '05
  13. by   apaisRN
    I mentioned to a surgical resident that I was going to CRNA school. She said "That's a GREAT job, if anything goes wrong you just call the attending!"

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