Psych NP programs that are the most psychotherapy focused?

  1. 0 Anyone attended/heard of a psych NP program that's heavily focused on psychotherapy? I know Penn's program is. I'm open to cheap state schools, expensive private schools, "name" schools and non-name schools. Just want to know what's out there. Thanks =)
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  4. Visit  Gentleman_nurse} profile page
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    I'm interested in this information too but I spoke to therapists in other disciplines (psychologists, social workers, mental health counselors). They all say the same thing. You really learn on the job and through additional continuing education and mentoring after you graduate.
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    Makes sense. I am curious about Vanderbilt's program. With online lectures and only a 12-month curriculum, how much psychotherapy skill can really be gained compared to longer or in-person programs I wonder?
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    Quote from priorities2
    Makes sense. I am curious about Vanderbilt's program. With online lectures and only a 12-month curriculum, how much psychotherapy skill can really be gained compared to longer or in-person programs I wonder?
    Umm, not much. Psych NP programs are focused primarily on diagnosis and med management. There's not much room left for psychotherapy (and v. little expectation, as far as I can tell, that psych NPs will be providing psychotherapy, same as psychiatrists). The curricula I've looked at seem be more or less traditional NP-type curricula with a psychotherapy course tacked on, just enough to differentiate the program as a psych NP program. Psych CNSs, which are being entirely eliminated, used to be rigorously trained as psychotherapists, but those days are over with and the psych CNS credential is being eliminated.
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    It's unfortunate that the credential is being eliminated. I wonder why that is. I heard Penn is incorporating some of its CNS curriculum into the NP curriculum, at least.

    Another question - I get in-state tuition at UND based on my state of residence. I'm thinking about applying to their online program and supplementing it with non-degree-seeking courses in psychotherapy at a local state school. Does this seem feasible/like a good idea?
  8. Visit  IcySageNurse} profile page
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    I've seen a few schools that offer quite a few psychotherapy courses and look like very good programs. As elkpark said, many just offer the FNP program with 2 or 3 "specialty courses" tacked on, typically psychopharmacology, etc. The program at Columbia University is an example of a program with what looks like a very specialized concentration in psych/mental health, including courses in psychotherapy. Here's their curriculum (I counted 5 distinct therapy courses, which I bolded. I'm sure many of the others include therapy too):

    Sample Program Plan

    Course Number Course Name Credits Type
    Summer I: 12 Credits
    Advanced Physiology 3 Core
    Introduction to Addictive Behaviors: Theories of Causation 3 Specialty
    Evaluation and Application of Research 3 Core
    Advanced Clinical Assessment Across the Lifespan 3 Core
    Fall I: 12 Credits
    Behavioral Development Across the Life Span: A Risk/Vulnerability Perspective 3 Specialty
    Health and Social Policy: The Context for Practice and Research 3 Core
    Advanced Pharmacology 3 Core
    Advanced Health Assessment in Psychiatric-Mental Health Nursing I 2 Specialty
    Advanced Health Assessment in Psychiatric-Mental Health in Nursing II: Clinical Practicum 1 Specialty
    Spring I: 9 Credits
    Pathophysiology Across the Lifespan 3 Core
    Psychopathology 2 Specialty
    Family Theory in Context 2 Specialty
    Theory and Practice of Individual Psychotherapy I 2 Specialty
    Summer II: 5 - 11 Credits
    Contemporary Issues and Trends in Addiction 3 Optional Specialty
    Clinical Management of the Patient with Addiction: Evaluation and Treatment 1-3 Optional Specialty
    Management and Advanced Practice Nursing 1 Core
    Seminar on Family Therapy and Technique
    2 Specialty
    Theory and Practice of Individual Psychotherapy II 2 Specialty
    Fall II: 6 Credits
    Practice of Family Therapy 2 Specialty
    Theory of Group Psychotherapy 2 Specialty
    Clinical Practice and Supervision with Groups 2 Specialty
    Spring II: 7 Credits
    Incorporating Genetics into Advanced Nursing Practice 3 Core
    Advanced Practice in Psychiatric Mental Health Nursing I 4 Specialty
    Summer III: 5 Credits
    Psychopharmacology in Psychiatric and Mental Health 1 Specialty
    Advanced Practice in Psychiatric Mental Health Nursing II 4 Specialty
    Total Credits 56 - 61
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    Thanks for linking to that, IcySageNurse.

    I've done a bit more research today and determined that a few other programs also have extensive therapy components:
    - OHSU
    - University of Washington
    - Case Western Reserve University

    Programs that *seem* not to (based on the course lists):
    - Boston College
    - UND
  10. Visit  IcySageNurse} profile page
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    Thanks for linking to that, IcySageNurse.

    I've done a bit more research today and determined that a few other programs also have extensive therapy components:
    - OHSU
    - University of Washington
    - Case Western Reserve University

    Programs that *seem* not to (based on the course lists):
    - Boston College
    - UND
    Your welcome. I was going to suggest OHSU but couldn't find the curriculum. NP schools on the West Coast tend to be great though IMHO. Every curriculum I've looked at looks really good - OHSU, UW, UC Davis, etc. The curriculum for the FNP program at UCSF is amazing - I wish all NP schools followed their model.
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  11. Visit  Gentleman_nurse} profile page
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    Elkpark:

    What do you suggest for prospective psych NP who want to learn psychotherapy? I myself thought about taking mental health counseling courses as a non-degree student.
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  12. Visit  krankenschwesternyc} profile page
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    NYU is very heavy on the psychotherapy in their Psych NP program. You can also look into attending something like the New York School for Psychoanalytic Therapy and Analysis (NYSPP Homepage). Don't know where you are but I'm sure there is something like this in your area.
  13. Visit  Mkim680} profile page
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    I am a Licensed Mental Health Counselor who is doing the pre-reqs to apply for a Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner program. I got most of my psychotherapy experience after graduate school by reading lots of books, clinical supervision, attending psychotherapy institutes, and learning on the job. There are many psychotherapy institutes which are very helpful in teaching psychotherapy specifically to the style you choose such as psychoanalysis, cognitive behavioral therapy, EMDR etc..
  14. Visit  JavelinO} profile page
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    I attended Penn's program and we had a heavy emphasis on psychotherapy, particularly CBT. When speaking with some other fellow psych NPs, it sounds like we had a lot more than other schools out in the Northwest.
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  15. Visit  sarahdukie} profile page
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    I am currently in Vanderbilt's PMHNP program and can affirm is it very psychotherapy focused, but incredibly face-paced. They teach us a variety of therapeutic modalities, but whether or not you get to use them in practice really depends on your field education site. Mine is with a psychiatrist who exclusively does med management, and I think this is true of more placements than not, due to the fact that most employers only want psych providers to do meds because LPCs or MSWs can provide therapy at half the cost or less. However, if you are finding your own placement, you could seek out an np in private practice who does joint therapy/med management sessions. Workshops and institutes are great places to gain training in specific areas of interest like CBT, psychodynamic, gestalt, etc. I personally feel I've learned the most by being in therapy myself. Many counseling programs require students to participate in therapy both for learning purposes and because understanding one's own issues/countertransference is crucial to being a good psychotherapist. hope that helps!
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